re: I'm getting a new CC pistol...

I just use the black pocket holster that came with the gun from sig. Perfect for summer time, fit's nicely in all my shorts

I have the N82 tactical professional model for my G26. Very comfortable and great quality as you said. Wouldn't hesitate to get another.

I'm currently trying to decide on my next purchase and leaning towards a single stack 9.

I also have a 380 for when I wear scrubs...which is 5 days/week. Needed something smaller/lighter that won't weigh down one side of my scrub pants. It fills that need.

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Most people aren't going to consistently carry if the gun is uncomfortable or difficult to conceal, and a pocket gun is much better than no gun at all.

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While some experts say "full size or nothing", I completely agree with Rise here.

Gun > No Gun.

My reasoning for 380 is that it is the smallest comfortable size that can fit in a pocket. Once you get smaller than that, the guns start to get borderline ridiculous (like a Derringer).

Having a gun will ALWAYS beat not having a gun.

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IMHO there is a ton of fail in what you said there. You shouldn't give out any advice on this stuff.

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Bottom line, if you can hit your target you've got a really good chance of escaping unscathed. In the scenario that a pocket .380 doesn't stop an attack it's unlikely that a full sized 9mm would either.

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What's wrong there? I've seen plenty of surveillance clip where the assailant tucks tail and GTFO as soon as the victim fires a shot. Do you have real life experience to the contrary? If a guy is so tweaked up that he is going to run through a .380 then a 9mm isn't stopping him either, you act like a .380 is a glorified pellet gun.

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if I can hit my target with even half of the rounds in my .380 magazine I feel confident that I could finish defending myself from my now holy attacker with my pocket knife and bare hands

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This is an opinion more than a by the book fact, but yes I feel confident that in the likely event a guy with a few bullet holes in him isn't running for his life that I would be able to fend off the wounded thug

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I'm ruling out the possibility that the tweaked out assailant is carrying a gun or two, because a dopehead would have pawned his gun a long time ago

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This was tongue-in-cheek. Nevertheless fight-or flight kicks in even for a criminal. They are still humans. They're either going to flee at the sight of a weapon or attack harder. I feel like even 1/7 rounds from a .380 point blank is enough to do fatal damage

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so WHATEVER gun you are carrying should be of sufficient caliber to actually do the deed effectively.

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I completely agree, and a .380 point blank will send you to the morgue with a quickness. If you are forced to draw your firearm on someone then it should be within a very close area, and even under stress you should have enough practice with your firearm to be able to put at least one shot center mass at such a close distance. I think you're underestimating the ability of a .380

Sure, it doesn't do near the damage of a .45, but it doesn't have to to accomplish it's intended purpose. Not to mention that the light recoil would make follow up shots considerably easier than a full size load, which is something to consider as well in a life or death situation if you're going to bring accuracy under stress into the conversation.

I'm not arguing that a .380 is a better defensecaliber than a .45 because it isn't. I own one of each. I am arguing that a .380 is plenty sufficient and powerful to serve as a CC handgun. Especially considering the ease of carry which will translate to the higher liklihood of consistent carry

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I completely agree, and a .380 point blank will send you to the morgue with a quickness. If you are forced to draw your firearm on someone then it should be within a very close area, and even under stress you should have enough practice with your firearm to be able to put at least one shot center mass at such a close distance. I think you're underestimating the ability of a .380

Sure, it doesn't do near the damage of a .45, but it doesn't have to to accomplish it's intended purpose. Not to mention that the light recoil would make follow up shots considerably easier than a full size load, which is something to consider as well in a life or death situation if you're going to bring accuracy under stress into the conversation.

I'm not arguing that a .380 is a better defensecaliber than a .45 because it isn't. I own one of each. I am arguing that a .380 is plenty sufficient and powerful to serve as a CC handgun. Especially considering the ease of carry which will translate to the higher liklihood of consistent carry

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Like its been said before: I'd rather have a .380 that I'll carry every day than a bazooka that stays at my house.

The debate is not whether a heavier round is better. Hell a bazooka is better.

Most of the encounters where you would have to pull a weapon will be inside of 3to4 yds. It is a point and shoot situation at best.

I agree with "Riseup", the bad guys don't expect a weapon of any size to be pulled on them, and most of the time the cowards will run for cover.

A 380 vs a .45 to a mans arm produces obvious differences, but he can still shoot you dead because of a misplaced shot regardless the caliber. I am confident no one wants to stand 6' away from someone and take a .380 to the torso. It is not a daisy pellet!

Yes there comes pt of diminishing returns. A .22 would not imho do the job. But having said that, it is better than nothing.


Would any of us like to cc a .45? Sure, and when they make one that is light and concealable, then we will argue about whether we should carry the next caliber up.

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Would any of us like to cc a .45? Sure, and when they make one that is light and concealable, then we will argue about whether we should carry the next caliber up.

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I conceal a single stack full size .45 everyday. Even in the summer. Get a good holster and call it a day. I don't even wear my shirts any bigger than normal. Some people think it's visible because they're not used to carrying. When you been carrying concealed as long as I have it becomes second nature and I grab my gun just like I do my pocket knife. Get familiar and comfortable with your gun and it'll be like carrying your keys.

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Money is no object: Kimber solo or kahr pm9

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I have looked at the Kahr, but will check out the Solo. Thanks

My Beretta Nano rocks. Getting my talon grips and night sights soon.

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P938

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My brother has one, and it's badass.