re: I'm getting a new CC pistol...

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One of these days I'll learn to ignore these threads.

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Why? Your opinion is obviously valued, especially when you're addressed directly.

There's no need to be too cool for school.

Allow me to hijack a bit

I wear jeans and a t-shirt or polo 99% of my work days. I have a glock 19. What is a good holster to use to conceal it? Should I look for IWB or OWB? I'm sure I can get away with most anything given the attire I wear.

Eta: I never wear my shirt tucked in

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I wear jeans and a t-shirt or polo 99% of my work days. I have a glock 19. What is a good holster to use to conceal it? Should I look for IWB or OWB? I'm sure I can get away with most anything given the attire I wear.

Eta: I never wear my shirt tucked in

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LST,
As I mentioned earlier, I cc a 1911 Commander 45 ACP a lot and it's always in an IWB tuck able holster. Nevertheless, I find myself leaving it untucked more and more. That's a nice thing about a tuck able holster….it can be used either tucked or untucked. I don't have any OWB holsters, but I really like the looks of those made by Simply RuggedW/ the right holster, clothing and belt, I'd think you'd be able to also carry a G19 w/o problems.

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I said a .380 provides adequate stopping power within the quarters of a defense situation. I never implied it has the power of a 9mm.

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I agree that: any gun can be fatal; in a self defense situation, any gun is better than no gun. Beyond that we apparently have a different definition of what's "adequate." From what I've read (when using appropriate self defense ammo and excluding the Glaser Safety Slug), here's the approximate "stopping power" of some of the best loads for the most popular self defense rounds:
380 ACP 64-69%
38 Spec +P 69-83%
9mm 89-91%
357 Mag 90-96%
40 S&W 94-96%
45 ACP 92-94%
If you're comfortable w/ the 380, that's ok as it's your personal decision. For me, there's a significant difference between the 380 ACP/38 Spec +P and the others. If my options are a 380 pocket gun or nothing, I'll go w/ the 380; otherwise, I'll carry one of the others.

dawg23

I see you're making progress in that 12 step.

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Keep in mind that the average hit rate for cops is 21% -- meaning they miss with 4 out of 5 shots. This is from the annual FBI Uniform Crime Report and the numbers have ranged from 19-21% for the past 10 years. If anyone thinks he's better trained than the average cop (Federal agent, state trooper or local deputy), I suppose he might perform better. But under stress we'll all do worse than our worst day at the practice range.

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I've never heard from a course/instructor on this, but I wonder if part of this inaccuracy is due to the nature of agency conflicts. Meaning, the shootout training most of us want to do with Costa are far more likely for law enforcement than an individual. I would be willing to guess that the average distance separating you from an attacker in a SD/HD situation is far less than the engagement distance for law enforcement (although that isn't to say LEO encounters aren't very frequently up close and personal) But again, I've never heard a reliable source confirm that.

I think the most compelling argument in the above is that we're all likely to be at our lowest training level or worse in a conflict. The average gun owner does no training, and practices very little. I know of plenty of non-LEO folks who are far superior shooters to local officers, but that doesn't mean they're as comfortable with in dealing with the stress of conflict.

In reality, I put firearm accuracy near the bottom of my SD/HD checklist. I'm much more concerned with situational awareness, planning for how to react in my home or how to ensure my family is safe, and having a clear understanding of where my personal lines are for drawing, engaging, retreating, etc. That isn't to say I don't practice or train, or to excuse anyone else doing that, but I think proficiency or competency with your chosen weapon, combined with all of the other skills/attitudes, will better serve the purpose than focusing all efforts on achieving a ragged hole. I do want that of course, as it gives me potentially more room for error when I'm in an uncontrolled situation, but I just don't value it over all else.

Anyone? I finally got my concealed carry permit after 10 months and 13 days and a little misunderstanding about my background. The Sgt. was very nice to work with though so hats off to him.

Thanks, Louisiana.

I just quoted him saying he wore the OWB holster everyday and where he said he wore nice clothes so I'm confused how you could wear that and conceal without a coat

Yeah, my curiosity is getting the best of me. I cant imaging wearing that with jeans/slacks and a polo either. I'd love to see whats going on but have a feeling I'm too "skinny" to pull it off

I want to pick up a wallet holster for another option.