re: If you enjoy dispersed camping,the Biden administration is trying to limit it.

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I think this is all pertaining to an area around Moab that is getting loved to death by off readers. It might need some restrictions to keep from ruining it.

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I suspect you are 100% correct. MOAB gets ABUSED. The only thing that keeps it remotely accessible to ORVs is the fact it is mostly rock and gets little rain...if it were like the east coast and covered in dirt and got 40 inches of rain a year it would be so rutted up that no one could get more than 100 feet off a paved road. The nuts on BLM land who think it is a good idea to have what amounts to a mud bogging competition in the middle of a road that has existed for a couple of hundred years and may still have wagon tracks from the days of the Oregon Trail present will boggle the mind. I have seen 40 foot fifth wheel travel trailers with a 3/4 ton truck both buried to the frame in mud 500 feet from where they decided to hit that wet spot....and those ruts will stay in that landscape for a LONG time....and the next idiot will come along and make some more just like them a few feet over. I have seen several acres of land stripped of vegetation and rutted up so bad you would think there had been some sort of tank battle going on recently...when there was a perfectly good road around the damp spot that anyone with any sense would have stayed on.

I came across a truck and about a 35 foot center console boat with twin 300's on it about 15 miles off the paved highway on an oil field road one time mired up to the frame of the truck. Dude was taking that boat to the Pecos River, he claimed. For those unaware the Pecos has enough water in some places to float a leaf. Most of it runs underground. I have no idea what those people intended to do with that boat in the Pecos but it was not going to work unless they meant to simply abandon it. That sort of thing is not unusual. Folks lose their minds when they have thousands of acres of public land at their disposal and there ain't no way no one can police all of it.

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read the damn link, not just the title of the thread. You're not elk hunting in the 120,037-acre portion of the Labyrinth Rims/Gemini Bridges SRMA affected by this proposal. If you are, you are sure as shite not killing anything.

here is a direct link to the BLM report, with proposed actions and response to comments so you can read past the headline.

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My sweet summer child. You think this stops here? The federal government has never heard the word no.


They can go the route of wilderness, hiking or horses. Everything else forbidden.

Then the remaining trails are used even more, then the BLM says they are over-used and close those too.

It's not just MOAB. Look at the use (abuse) of Wilderness and Monument designations. Those immediately remove motorized access (and i think others as well).

You are correct, people abuse public lands and should be punished but continually closing areas does a dis-service to the users.

In perusing some of the environmental groups, they don't like motorized access... period. And this administration listens to them.

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Then the remaining trails are used even more, then the BLM says they are over-used and close those too.

It's not just MOAB. Look at the use (abuse) of Wilderness and Monument designations. Those immediately remove motorized access (and i think others as well).

You are correct, people abuse public lands and should be punished but continually closing areas does a dis-service to the users.

In perusing some of the environmental groups, they don't like motorized access... period. And this administration listens to them.

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Both of these statements are true as rain. One of the reasons I left Wasgington State, one of many, was the state's management of state and federal public land and access. Most of the federal land in the western US is pretty much wide open to access....if you can get your truck to a spot youre welcome to do so. Washington State generall requires parking in a designated lot and walking in. Oregon is prone to this also but not as bad. Most of the parking areas are MILES from the area you would hunt or fish and as such never get used...but you have the option to do so if you wish. Not so bad small game hunting but its a serious amount of work to schlep a field goose spread a mile and back a mile...or more. They also will not allow bicycle access, electric or otherwise. Some seriously productive grain fields managed by the state which can be as productive as anything in Saskatchewan if you could get a proper spread to it....but the really good ones are 3-7 miles from the designated parking area and you'd best not get caught...and they patrol....stopping on a state or county road to unload and load....it is absolutely intentional, I was told this un-categorically by the wildlife bioolgist in the area I lived. It is done to prevent pressure...but it also allows the few commercial outfitters in the area to have unfettered access to these areas from private land leases adjacent to them.