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re: Idaho Fish and Game commissioner resigns amid backlash over African hunting picture

Posted on 10/16/18 at 1:48 pm to
Posted by bushwacker
youngsville
Member since Feb 2010
4010 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 1:48 pm to
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If it can't feed people or doesn't eat people I don't understand killing it.


So i guess your home is infested with roaches and rats???

Leave the ole baw alone- he’s legally hunting. If you snowflakes get offended, try passing a law outlawing hunting. No need to have a guy lose his job over legal hunting.
Posted by JAB528
The Mexican Ocean
Member since Jun 2012
16870 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:11 pm to
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If he could have killed 100 baboons in one day he would have


What’s wrong with this assuming it’s legal?
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
32838 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:31 pm to
I have no problem with people killing nuisance or invasive species for sport.

Drive to Texas or LA to shoot Hogs? I'm in.

Flying to Africa to do it? I'm not so sure.

If I'm traveling internationally to play sportsman, I'm going fly fishing in New Zealand for big trout, Argentina for Dorado or Mongolia for Taimen.







Of course, I've always been more of a bird hunter anyway.
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 3:34 pm
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
29567 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:35 pm to
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Giraffes I do not get.


They are extremely dangerous and old non breeding males will kill younger breeding males essentially for shits and giggles.
Posted by tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
6952 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 4:13 pm to
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family of Baboons


They're wild animals. They don't have a "family" although they may live together. They'll kill and eat each other without thinking twice. Don't humanize them.

I'm not arguing that a public official shouldn't use some discretion with regard to social media posts, but to vilify him as someone who destroyed a "family" is inappropriate.
Posted by JAB528
The Mexican Ocean
Member since Jun 2012
16870 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 4:17 pm to
If it’s legal who cares if he wipes out 5 “families”?
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27592 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 4:21 pm to
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are extremely dangerous and old non breeding males will kill younger breeding males essentially for shits and giggles.


I asked if their populations are out of control. If so, I get it.
Posted by tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
6952 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 4:22 pm to
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If it’s legal who cares if he wipes out 5 “families”?


I'm gonna legally kill the mother of a deer family on Saturday. Maybe the father too. Take out both parents. Gonna have orphans running around the woods crying about losing mommy and daddy.

No. That's not what happens here, and that's not what happens in Africa. Hell, in Africa there aren't many primates of any .... nevermind. Not gonna get banned.
Posted by JAB528
The Mexican Ocean
Member since Jun 2012
16870 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 4:26 pm to
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
18158 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 4:38 pm to
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vilify him as someone who destroyed a "family" is inappropriate


No one vilified him by using that word, that's the word he used, and that more or less explains why he's out of the job. He called it a "family" of baboons because he thought that sounded more awesome. This is less about him shooting them, and more about him being a jackass while holding office, as you pointed out.
Posted by AUTimbo
Member since Sep 2011
3234 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 4:42 pm to
The difference between the yote and the dog is that dogs are pets, yotes are a wild animal that will kill and eat your “pet” at every given opportunity. Also your pet doesn’t run around the woods killing and eating up to 2/3rds of any given fawn population on a yearly basis, as well as turkey’s , their poults and eggs.
Posted by tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
6952 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 4:52 pm to
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The difference between the yote and the dog is that dogs are pets,


What if I have a pet coyote? What if it's a wild dog? Does that make a difference in your opinion.

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yotes are a wild animal that will kill and eat your “pet” at every given opportunity


They'd rather eat mice and birds, but I get your point. Wild savage animals. I agree.

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Also your pet doesn’t run around the woods killing and eating up to 2/3rds of any given fawn population on a yearly basis


Source? I hate the living shite out of coyotes, but I've never seen this statistic.

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as well as turkey’s , their poults and eggs.


Even if they only eat 1/100 turkeys, that's enough for me to want to kill every one of them. Hell, I've thought about doing some bad things to humans over less.
Posted by AUTimbo
Member since Sep 2011
3234 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 4:53 pm to
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. He should have known that these pictures would go public given he sent the email to 100 or more, BUT, they were sent in a private (not really any such thing) email and not posted publicly. Though he might have expected some confidentiality he should have known better. 2. As someone who has killed more than a few coyotes, beavers, nutria, armadillos, hogs and other nuisance critters and varmints; I can tell you that its not practical or reasonable to expect or demand that every animal killed be eaten. That doesn't mean they aren't to be dispatched cleanly and treated respectfully, but eating isn't the only legitimate reason to kill an animal. Conclusion: From what I understand, baboons can be a huge nuisance and perhaps a threat. I have no problem with him knocking them off if so. Posing with them as a family and sharing them was a bad idea, especially for primates. He should have known better.
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Concur 100%

As to another poster, giraffe are excellent eating. Had it twice in Kenya and was delicious both times.
A female hunter caught crap for killing one not too long ago. The story behind it made it a good kill. The giraffe she killed was an old alpha giraffe that had been killing younger males. He was no longer able to breed and was killing the future gene sharing of the giraffe herd in that area by erasing all the younger males. So biologically and ethically her kill was in the best interset of tge herds future survival.

With regards to the OP, the hunter in that story showed a pathetic disregard for his prey by posing the “family” for the picture.
The fact that he was the head cheese for Idaho FnG made it all the more incredulous that he thought it was ok.

Two types of people in the outdoors, hunters and “killers”. He was the second type, and thats NOT a good thing.
Serves the prick right to lose his job when his job directly correlates with helping the non-hunting crowd understand the necessity of hunting (not killing)
Posted by AUTimbo
Member since Sep 2011
3234 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 4:59 pm to
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Source? I hate the living shite out of coyotes, but I've never seen this statistic.



Study done a couple years ago here in SC down just north of Augusta, Ga. DNR took census readings on a couple square miles of typical deer habitat. Coyote kill of fawns was right at 64% I have seen them chase does with yearlings before trying to seperate them but never imagined the ratio of kills was so fricking high.
Hate me some yotes...(even though I know it’s what they do)
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17789 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 4:59 pm to
From the article I read (not the one linked) his firing had more to do with the captions than the pictures
Posted by Got Blaze
Youngsville
Member since Dec 2013
9918 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 5:08 pm to
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Giraffes I do not get. Honest questions. Do any people eat giraffe? Do the locals eat the meat afterward? Are giraffe populations out of control?


Here is the skinny. Concessions (privately owned land) in Africa may be 50,000+ hectares or roughly 200 sq. miles. The land owner in conjunction with Wildlife Conservation experts help maintain the carrying capacity for a certain animal species. If there are to many giraffe, zebra, impala, warthogs, hyenas, etc... the Guide will be allotted X number of tags for the given species. A hunter can choose to shoot as many animals as his pocket book will afford. Even though honey badgers or porcupines are not dangerous to man, their numbers have to maintained to keep the proper balance of the species. Once all the given species tags are filled, guides can no longer sell hunts for that animal. It's a similar analogy to land owners in LA who receive alligator tags from the DWF. Animals have to be harvested to keep the numbers in check.
Posted by Klinecm
Picayune, MS
Member since Jun 2017
70 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 5:18 pm to
What I have a problem with is that that is definitely not a crossbow in the picture as stated in the article; definitely looks like a recurve. Damn a-hole liberal news media, get your facts straight.
Oh, and as long as the meat doesn’t go to waste, who cares..
Posted by GRIZZ
PRAIRIEVILLE
Member since Nov 2009
5990 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 5:44 pm to
Awhile back we had a similar thread about killing animals for trophy. Someone link one of their past posts regarding this that noted some pretty interesting personal experience points about how the money and meat go toward conservation and feeding the village. If the guy that posted it is reading this, please link it again. I'd like to forward it to one of my friends. TIA.
Posted by Mr Wonderful
Love City
Member since Oct 2015
1045 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 6:37 pm to
There’s some weird frickers in this thread. Those of y’all into killing monkeys and giraffes should move to Africa. Here in America we kill normal shite like deer and ducks.

To each his own but that’s pretty weird to get excited about killing monkeys and giraffes.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 6:45 pm to
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They're wild animals. They don't have a "family" although they may live together. They'll kill and eat each other without thinking twice. Don't humanize them.


Sorry, but this shows you know zero about primate behavior.
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