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re: HR 391 (Water Access Rights) Passes 5-3 in committee
Posted on 4/10/18 at 2:51 pm to Uncle JackD
Posted on 4/10/18 at 2:51 pm to Uncle JackD
State law varies, but one that I've read indicates that the state owns all water and water is only "navigable" if the state owns the waterBED. If it is privately owned, it is not only non-navigable, it's also a private waterway.
I am a marshowner, albeit not a wealthy one. This HB is very poorly written and leaves so many things undefined that it will wreak havoc upon the marshes if it passes.
If you that are for it, strongly believe in it, you should contact the author of the bill and have it rewritten so that it is not so ambiguous. Then you might be able to muster some more support (which might even include CCA and the like).
ETA: 007 I too pay tax dollars like you. I also pay real estate taxes on my marshland, which you don't pay. You think we should have equal rights to use MY land?
I am a marshowner, albeit not a wealthy one. This HB is very poorly written and leaves so many things undefined that it will wreak havoc upon the marshes if it passes.
If you that are for it, strongly believe in it, you should contact the author of the bill and have it rewritten so that it is not so ambiguous. Then you might be able to muster some more support (which might even include CCA and the like).
ETA: 007 I too pay tax dollars like you. I also pay real estate taxes on my marshland, which you don't pay. You think we should have equal rights to use MY land?
This post was edited on 4/10/18 at 2:53 pm
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Posted on 4/10/18 at 2:52 pm to 007mag
quote:
I love how people equate water to land. Water isn’t land and if my fricking tax dollars and conservation dollars are going to be used for coastal restoration then I expect to be able to utilize that coast whether it’s to catch fish, shoot ducks or just pass through.
I think I've found our #surfacedrive #duckdynasty #flatbill #yellowlabnameddrake #prostaff #shootemintheface instagram internet hero for the day.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 2:53 pm to 007mag
quote:
fricking tax dollars and conservation dollars are going to be used for coastal restoration then I expect to be able to utilize that coast
I agree
quote:
catch fish
Well, they're in the water you're floating on
quote:
just pass through.
Well, still on the water
quote:
shoot ducks
So you're gonna anchor down in the marsh, which is land, and trespass?
Posted on 4/10/18 at 2:54 pm to Uncle JackD
quote:Hey, he didn't call the guy a name, he just wished death on him, which was well deserved.
Oooook....
Posted on 4/10/18 at 2:55 pm to 007mag
It's been beaten to death on here but you do realize that the definition of land is basically the entire debate, right?
Posted on 4/10/18 at 2:59 pm to 007mag
quote:So what?
I love how people equate water to land. Water isn’t land
quote:Good grief this makes you guys look so bad.
and if my fricking tax dollars and conservation dollars are going to be used for coastal restoration then I expect to be able to utilize that coast whether it’s to catch fish, shoot ducks or just pass through.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 2:59 pm to Motorboat
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I hope you die trying to fish someone's private land. Tired of your kind and inability to have an honest debate without throwing out ad hominem attacks on people that disagree with you.
BTW, I own zero land. Have you even thought about the clusterfrick that will result from this?
It would be nice to have an honest debate but there is bullshite from both sides. Even you can't seem to control yourself but I certainly don't hope you die. You're stooping to their level
I watched the hearing and I thought it was interesting that a sitting Senator came in and threatened to close off all his property which he currently allows to be open. Then the President of LLOA tells Ms Emerson he's going to destroy her career? So much for civil debate.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:02 pm to HotKoolaid
I can't wait for the taking lawsuits. It will be Crooks on steroids.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:05 pm to xenon16
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xenon16
Just curious, would you rather pay the taxes on the marshland and keep it private or be tax exempt and free from all liability on that marshland?
This post was edited on 4/10/18 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:07 pm to Drunken Crawfish
quote:
exempt from
quote:Already is.
all liability on that marshland
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:09 pm to HotKoolaid
As someone who doesn’t feel strongly either way, it’s like watching a train wreck. There is no legitimate solution to this problem that won’t piss a massive amount of people off, and it’s being caused by an unstoppable force that’s only going to slowly make it worse. It’s like the perfect storm of coonass frickery.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:10 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:14 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
quote:
legitimate solution to this problem
Move somewhere else
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:17 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
There has to be some give on each side.
Fishermen can't expect to get access without some sort of compensation to the landowners. What level they would would they find acceptable? Full purchase of the water bottom? Tax exemption? Annual lease payment for the water bottoms?
Land/Water bottom owners need to realize that we are the only state that even allows this to go on and realize they are getting a pretty good deal being able to collect money on a natural resource (tidal water)
Fishermen can't expect to get access without some sort of compensation to the landowners. What level they would would they find acceptable? Full purchase of the water bottom? Tax exemption? Annual lease payment for the water bottoms?
Land/Water bottom owners need to realize that we are the only state that even allows this to go on and realize they are getting a pretty good deal being able to collect money on a natural resource (tidal water)
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:18 pm to pointdog33
quote:Not really.
There has to be some give on each side.
quote:We are not the only state that does this, and what money is being collected?
Land/Water bottom owners need to realize that we are the only state that even allows this to go on and realize they are getting a pretty good deal being able to collect money on a natural resource (tidal water)
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:19 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
I love this topic. I see a landowner and a good ole baw arguing about access, and I can slip right passed them while they're distracted, handle my trespassing bidness, and be gone unnoticed before they even decide if the grass is in fact green or not.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:19 pm to dpd901
quote:
HR 391 (Water Access Rights) Passes 5-3 in committee
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:19 pm to pointdog33
quote:
There has to be some give on each side.
Why? In order for comprise to exist, both parties have to want change. Right now the only people who want to change something are the ones who want the access. The land owners are fine with the way things are, any change would be a loss for them and not a compromise. Not all that different from the 2nd amendment debate.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:20 pm to HotKoolaid
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Why? In order for comprise to exist, both parties have to want change. Right now the only people who want to change something are the ones who want the access. The land owners are fine with the way things are, any change would be a loss for them and not a compromise. Not all that different from the 2nd amendment debate.
I own them redfish baw
Posted on 4/10/18 at 3:20 pm to HotKoolaid
boom
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