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re: How hard is it to produce a primer?
Posted on 2/12/21 at 9:34 am to deltaland
Posted on 2/12/21 at 9:34 am to deltaland
Friend of mine that has a store told me last week that his Winchester rep said that when they are producing primers, there is one step where 3 guys are standing shoulder to shoulder.
With covid, that has been a nightmare trying to keep those guys working.
With covid, that has been a nightmare trying to keep those guys working.
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Posted on 2/12/21 at 9:38 am to bbvdd
This ammo and component shortage has me taking a hard look at high end air rifles
Posted on 2/12/21 at 10:37 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
How why can you explain in more detail very curious about this.
Do our primer companies supply the other countries with primers? All my shotgun shells are imported I am curious if they manufacture their own. I am sure customs would be a shite show importing 10000 primers, hell I thought everything used a 209 primer. Very curious about this market
Do our primer companies supply the other countries with primers? All my shotgun shells are imported I am curious if they manufacture their own. I am sure customs would be a shite show importing 10000 primers, hell I thought everything used a 209 primer. Very curious about this market
Posted on 2/12/21 at 10:47 am to Cracker
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thought everything used a 209 primer
Boy that'd damn sure be nice.
Remington used to have a electronic rifle. The cartridges had a contactor for the "primer." Nearly instant lock time, no trigger mechanism, microswitch for a trigger. I thought that was the end of traditional primers but it was basically DOA.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 10:57 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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DownshiftAndFloorIt
Not calling you out. Just annoyed overall.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 11:23 am to flyAU
Yea i hear ya, I just don't think we'll see a rash of primer manuf pop up because of those reasons. Its gotta be profitable and that's a gigantic investment for a market that has a very unfriendly administration in DC.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 11:24 am to flyAU
You need sulfur, antimony trisulfide, and potassium chlorate. You can order these from the fireworks supply places on line. You want them to be of a fine powder consistency (small mesh size). Only work in very small batches. You will have to collect your old primers and remove the anvils. Clean the cup and pound out the firing pin dent.
Potassium chlorate. 47.2%
Antimony trisulfide. 30.83%
Sulfur 21.97%
Always small batches!!!!! You will need a good digital scale to weigh these out. Weigh out your chemicals and make three piles on a sheet of paper. Use the back of a plastic spoon to smooth out any lumps in your 3 separate piles. To mix the chemicals use the diaper method(lift the edges of paper to gently mix into a compound). The mixture will be a dark gray color. To test your mixture add a small amount on the head of a hammer, take another hammer and smack it and you should hear a loud pop and get some flame.
Fill up primer cup with mixture, pack mixture with the blunt end of a bamboo skewer. Cut small circle of zig zag rolling paper and place over packed mixture, replace anvil (I use my reloading press to do this as it takes some force). Oh yea you will need a 10% shellac 90% acetone solution. Place a drop of this over the rolling paper before seating anvil. Once assembled let dry for a few days.
These are corrosive primers so you will have to clean your bore with soap and water after shooting. I have made these primers. They are as powerful as factory primers. I have enough chemical to last me a lifetime should I need it. These are a pain in the azz to make but it is very easy to do. These chemicals are readily available and shouldn’t land you on the “list”.
Potassium chlorate. 47.2%
Antimony trisulfide. 30.83%
Sulfur 21.97%
Always small batches!!!!! You will need a good digital scale to weigh these out. Weigh out your chemicals and make three piles on a sheet of paper. Use the back of a plastic spoon to smooth out any lumps in your 3 separate piles. To mix the chemicals use the diaper method(lift the edges of paper to gently mix into a compound). The mixture will be a dark gray color. To test your mixture add a small amount on the head of a hammer, take another hammer and smack it and you should hear a loud pop and get some flame.
Fill up primer cup with mixture, pack mixture with the blunt end of a bamboo skewer. Cut small circle of zig zag rolling paper and place over packed mixture, replace anvil (I use my reloading press to do this as it takes some force). Oh yea you will need a 10% shellac 90% acetone solution. Place a drop of this over the rolling paper before seating anvil. Once assembled let dry for a few days.
These are corrosive primers so you will have to clean your bore with soap and water after shooting. I have made these primers. They are as powerful as factory primers. I have enough chemical to last me a lifetime should I need it. These are a pain in the azz to make but it is very easy to do. These chemicals are readily available and shouldn’t land you on the “list”.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 12:42 pm to Wolfmanjack
Now if we could figure out a way to press out fresh cups and anvils.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 1:45 pm to A_bear
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only 4 companies produce them
CCi, Federal, Remington and Winchester, are the names of US manufacturers that come to mind. And remember, numbers 1-3 are owned by the same company, Vista Outdoors. And don't forget, during the entire time that Remington was under bankruptcy, the plant that makes Rem primers was running at only 10% capacity.
As far as international makers of primers, the main ones I'm aware of are Armscor in the Philippines, Sellier & Bellot in the Czech Republic, Fiocchi in Italy and JSC (TulAmmo) in Russia. Some years ago I bought some primers from S&B and TulAmmo to keep in inventory. For curiosity, I shot a few TulAmmo primers in my 22 BR XP-100 handgun. They shot nearly as good as my usual primer, Rem 7 1/2. I could use them if needed, but I've just kept them in storage.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 7:15 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
No profit? Supply and demand. Son and grandson went to a gun show over the weekend. Pistol and rifle primers were available but he didn't want to pay $.30 apiece for them. $30 per flat of 100 primers.
Posted on 2/13/21 at 10:36 am to ImaObserver
quote:You misread my post as I didn't say making primers is not profitable. I think the the current makers are obviously making big profits. Even in normal times, if it wasn't profitable to make primers there wouldn't be so many primer makers. What's been debated in this thread is the question of how profitable it would be for a new company to start making primers. I'm not a business man, but I'd question the wisdom of starting up a brand new plant to make a product to take advantage of our current buying spree. Yeah, even a new primer maker could prob turn a profit making and selling primers at prices 10X higher than usual, but what about making a profit when the market returns to normal? And what about uncertainty about government oversight. What if the Biden administration decidse to strike a blow for gun control by making ammo difficult to get; they could enact new laws, making it more expensive and more difficult to produce primers. The new company would have to spend lots of money on personnel, training, equipments, purchasing raw materials, etc too set up a new plant, Once this panic buying is over and the market for primers settles down, could the new company still make enough money to stay in the game?? The new company might make a profit, but it'd be very risky. My guess is it would be too risky, but that's just a guess and certainly up for debate.
No profit? Supply and demand.
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Son and grandson went to a gun show over the weekend. Pistol and rifle primers were available but he didn't want to pay $.30 apiece for them. $30 per flat of 100 primers.
I agree w/ them. I wouldn't have bought them either.
Posted on 2/13/21 at 11:08 am to TrueTiger
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Now if we could figure out a way to press out fresh cups and anvils.
actually that wouldn't be that hard sheet of brass machined block the dia of the primer and a punch prob a plate of 25 punches or whatever number, then machine another plate just a hair larger than the original plate and another plate that were tapered to crimp. any decent machinist could whip that out might take some trial and error and you could prob punch 25 to a 100 with an avg arbor press has enough force to do it.
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