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Hot water heater pipes vs Tankless Water Heater - freeze procedures

Posted on 1/20/19 at 10:30 am
Posted by TigerTatorTots
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 10:30 am
My previous 2 homes, I had a tankless water heater where I would slow drip the cold in the far faucet of the house and barely open the hot faucet closest to the water heater (enough to flow water but now enough to activate the tankless water heater overnight).

Now in my current home, I have two standard water heaters and I'm not familiar with proper freeze prevention. For nights when its <26F, do I just need to do a slow drip on the cold side?

Posted by chity
Chicago, Il
Member since Dec 2008
6081 posts
Posted on 1/20/19 at 10:34 am to
I believe you need to keep water moving thru any pipe that is exposed to freezing temperature.
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
20391 posts
Posted on 1/20/19 at 10:45 am to
As long as your pipes are insulated in the attic you can put a hand warmer on top of any hose bibs outside. Shake it up to activate and set it directly on top of the hose bib. No need to do anything but set it right on top. Put a plastic bag loosely over it to keep it from getting damp/wet but still allow air/oxygen to get to it and you are good to go.

Moving water has a tendency not to freeze but that depends on how much it is moving. A slow drip can/will freeze up at some temp. The problem with a slow drip is a piece of ice can come loose somewhere else and plug that drip then you will freeze anyway.

Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
34377 posts
Posted on 1/20/19 at 10:52 am to
Where is the tank? Mine is inside a closet in my house.
This post was edited on 1/20/19 at 10:53 am
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 11:01 am to
Both in the attic. Attic pipes are not insulated but the pipes outside going into the house are.
Posted by HollyWoodCole
CA
Member since Nov 2017
1255 posts
Posted on 1/20/19 at 11:13 am to
Replace everything with PEX and be done with all this.
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
15134 posts
Posted on 1/20/19 at 11:14 am to
Was the temp in your OP suppose to read -26F or less than 26F?

Either way, I'd opt to buy some pipe insulation and do the pipes in the attic. Just one of them burst and you're dealing with a huge mess to repair in ceilings, floors, etc. At the very least, place a couple electric heaters in the attic to keep it above freezing if possible.

We in N.O. had several days of below freezing temps. last winter and I only left the farthest faucet at the back of my house run all night long at a slow stream and never had a pipe freeze, but all my exposed pipes are insulated with foam.
Posted by pdubya76
Sw Ms
Member since Mar 2012
5978 posts
Posted on 1/20/19 at 11:34 am to
I have a tankless that’s mounted outside. We drip both hot and cold but turn the water heater off so it doesn’t run ( propane tank fueled). No problems since we started doing this.
Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
34377 posts
Posted on 1/20/19 at 11:42 am to
quote:

Attic pipes are not insulated but the pipes outside going into the house are.

My outdoor kitchen water heater is in attic and I never worried about it. Maybe I should,
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 12:29 pm to
quote:

Replace everything with PEX and be done with all this.


Pex will still freeze. They might not bust but unless you want to wake up in the morning to no water to shower or brush your teeth I would suggest leaving some running.

My whole house is PEX and I ran into this last year when I forgot to run water
Posted by biggsc
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34209 posts
Posted on 1/20/19 at 1:11 pm to
I’d open up your cabinets to warm the pipes and drip the water
Posted by MrBobDobalina
BRo.LA
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 1:17 pm to
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This post was edited on 8/5/19 at 9:28 am
Posted by HollyWoodCole
CA
Member since Nov 2017
1255 posts
Posted on 1/20/19 at 4:19 pm to
My PEX will expand four times its diameter before breaking.

I don’t drip anything.

My house is raised and last year when the winter got rough, my PEX froze multiple times.

No leaks. No breakage. No worries.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 1/20/19 at 4:37 pm to
I wish my house was pex. I'm thinking about redoing the whole raised part of the house.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16575 posts
Posted on 1/20/19 at 5:48 pm to
As I've remodeled, I've replaced sections with PEX. Definitely want to choose the right crimping system though, not all are created equal, I use the copper crimp rings.
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