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Posted on 12/28/16 at 6:35 pm to
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14075 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 6:35 pm to
A friend got a 6 month old dog for free. Spent money to send it to get trained. Took her on her first hunt on opening of second split this season. She retrieved 10 birds and found one in the marsh on the first hunt.

Good training can go a long way but it the dog doesn't have a nose or the drive to hunt you are fighting a losing battle.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19431 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 6:43 pm to
he's gonna be smarter than me. Counting on him to support the household when he gets home.
Posted by Ole Geauxt
KnowLa.
Member since Dec 2007
50880 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 8:40 pm to
quote:

, I don't speak French.



It ain't hard, just practice, over and over...

"Fetch dem dam ducks, meaux feaux"!
Posted by CP3
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
7425 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 8:52 pm to
quote:

Or the success of litter mates.


Or the only contributing member of society that birthed them

Posted by Capt ST
Hotel California
Member since Aug 2011
12930 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 8:56 pm to
quote:

he's gonna be smarter than me.


Yeah mine is smarter than me too. I used to get pissed when she'd break from
a command, I've learned to give a second to let her do her thing. More like than once I've gone, damn that makes sense.
Posted by Larry Gooseman
Houston
Member since Mar 2014
2659 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 9:52 pm to
In the future I'm going to seriously consider buying a finished dog. Why risk spending all the money on an unproven (drive and/or biddability) puppy?
Posted by WAR TIGER
Death Valley
Member since Oct 2005
4092 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 10:26 pm to
Whether you get your lab trained or train it yourself.....

Read the book Water Dog by Richard Wolters. This will help you train, maintain, and/or understand your lab 100 times better.

I have had 3 labs in my life. My current lab has a hunt drive unlike I've seen before. She is a gamer. My previous labs loved to please and were trainable, but I had no idea what superior 'HUNT' traits can do for a dog.

Do your homework.

I prefer a mixed lab of 1/2 to 3/4 American Lab and 1/2 or 1/4 British Lab.

I find 100% British labs get fat and lazy too easily. No offense meant to british lab enthusiasts. And.. 100% American labs can be high strung.

Good luck
Posted by CajunCommander
FloodZone
Member since Jan 2015
1845 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:32 am to
quote:

Ie can old dogs learn new tricks.


My buddy took his 7 year old British lab duck hunting for the first time last weekend. Before then he was nothing more than a pet couch potato. I'll be damned, that son of a bish retrieved ducks... Never thought I'd see the day
Posted by LSUfreak1459
Member since Feb 2008
874 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 8:02 am to
I'll definitely pick up the book. Where do you find labs that are mixed like that? Any in Louisiana?
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19431 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 8:13 am to
Capt, yours went through their gundog school? did it take the full 7 months?

They said Maverick could be there anywhere from 4-7 months. Been 3 weeks now, they are starting on hold training. I want him back quick
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19431 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 8:17 am to
Someone earlier in the thread mentioned force fetching.....DO NOT try to force fetch your dog if you've never trained a dog before.

Seasoned trainers still end up ruining many a dog trying to force fetch them.
Posted by LSUfreak1459
Member since Feb 2008
874 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 8:19 am to
If you don't mind me asking, how much are you paying for you pup and training?
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30866 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 8:29 am to
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Someone earlier in the thread mentioned force fetching.....DO NOT try to force fetch your dog if you've never trained a dog before.

Seasoned trainers still end up ruining many a dog trying to force fetch them.


this.. every dog handles FF differently......
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19431 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 8:31 am to
Warning - I'll probably get crucified by the board for the following...


He was $2k...I get blood line back 5 generations all of them to England and Scotland.

You take him home at 7 weeks and they go back for gundog at 7 months.

From there they can be at Wildrose anywhere from 4-7 months at $700/month.

It's not cheap, but when you go on the tour and they bring a 6 month old dog into the bird pen with 100 ducks, pheasants, quail and pigeons and he sits on place while the birds fly all around him and doesn't flinch, and then walks off-lead heal not flinching it's pretty impressive. Not one bit of it with a shock collar or force fetched.


I debated sending him back for gundog school. But in the end I would have been doing him a disservice not sending him to get finished.

Here's his poppa, Deke. Good luck with your decision.




My dad went with me to drop him off for gundog and ended up putting a deposit down for a female from Deke.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30866 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 8:36 am to
dirty mike... considering how much time and enjoyment is spent on it...it's money well spent...

more so than money thrown away on sports season tix.... or what people spend on cigarettes or other crap....

your money...your time.. go for it...


I just wouldn't pay anyone else to train me dog.... but that's me.. Ive been around a loooong while.
Posted by LSUfreak1459
Member since Feb 2008
874 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 8:49 am to
Yea there's a lot to think about, which is why I'm not getting one any time soon. Worse case scenario is I go cheap and then it turns into a straight family pet and I don't have a hunting dog
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30866 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:04 am to
quote:


Duck Dog
Yea there's a lot to think about, which is why I'm not getting one any time soon. Worse case scenario is I go cheap and then it turns into a straight family pet and I don't have a hunting dog



i've seen 5k dogs from multi FC champ lines flop.. and I have seen back yard litters have a pup qualify for national open....


you may stack the odds in your favor with a well bred dog.... but anything can happen..


more important than titles in lineage though is health clearance... OFA on hips and elbows.. and eyes... most notably with the bigger bred labs and chessies.. and be damn sure any dog you buy or pay to have trained or put a lot of time in training has clear hips, eyes and not a DM carrier...


Posted by LSUfreak1459
Member since Feb 2008
874 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:12 am to
Oh I'm aware that expensive dogs can flop. MY uncles BIL got a very expensive pup, and he couldn't stay in the blind. He would just dart off into the water and then come back and run around the blind. Another uncle has a cheap lab that's amazingly calm and does well. Most people that I have hunted with spend around $2k on pup and train and do fine. Will definitely talk to them when I get closer to making a decision. Just trying to see what the OB's experiences were.
quote:

OFA on hips and elbows.. and eyes

Appreciate that info.
This post was edited on 12/29/16 at 9:13 am
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19431 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:18 am to
Yep, what choupique said.

I spent the initial money buying Maverick from WR because of their health guarantees, not their hunt lines.

When we looked at the geneology we looked for health certifications not FTC next to the names.
Posted by Boudreaux35
BR
Member since Sep 2007
21678 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:41 am to
quote:

So my wife asked me the other day if I would like to get a lab for hunting and to keep outside so our husky can have a friend.


Are you planning to keep this dog just loose in your yard? I've seen bad results with that kind of situation. I'm not saying it can't work, but it will take some constant training and attention to train it to understand the difference between being able to run around in a yard and then sitting still in a blind.
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