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re: Doe management opinions
Posted on 10/30/21 at 1:10 pm to LSUTigahss
Posted on 10/30/21 at 1:10 pm to LSUTigahss
Best strategy in management is kill them early, as killing them late risks killing your genetics. You want the bred does to deliver, and make it through season. Killing them late is a crap shoot….Doe management in areas that don’t have tons of agricultural supplements, is the best strategy for big bucks, on every level; much better than supplemental feeding, as it equilibrates nutrition to the entire herd, increases carrying capacity, and does nothing for individual deer. Keep the does low, kill them early( before they are bred), and let the young bucks age…….
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Posted on 10/30/21 at 1:35 pm to LSUTigahss
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when is the “right” time to shoot your does?
Whenever you get a shot and feel like cleaning one. Waiting for the right time doesn’t make sense.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 1:46 pm to CamdenTiger
Every doe gets bred, they will keep going in heat each month until they are bred. That’s why you have a peak rut, secondary rut. Almost all of it is done by secondary rut but sometimes you will see them rut a 3rd time. That’s why you hear those crazy stories about deer still chasing in February.
As for the best time to manage your does, it’s early season. The less doe you have in the herd, the more pronounced your rut will be. If every buck has a hot doe, they will lock them down quick. But if 5 bucks have to compete for the same doe, it’s action galore.
As for the best time to manage your does, it’s early season. The less doe you have in the herd, the more pronounced your rut will be. If every buck has a hot doe, they will lock them down quick. But if 5 bucks have to compete for the same doe, it’s action galore.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 1:54 pm to Yukon7
If you need to remove does, do it now. The fewer does now the more the bucks have to cruise. Sounds like you could go scorched earth and still have plenty.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 5:09 pm to LSUTigahss
Now. Get the does out as quick as possible, and figure out how many you need to kill. Good rule of thumb is 1:100 acres, but you may need to kill more.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 5:22 pm to LSUTigahss
Shoot them early, if you shoot them after the rut you may be killing several deer (assuming she’s preg) with one shot.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 6:56 pm to LSUTigahss
Forget about trying to manage for or against genetics. Manage for habitat and age class.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 7:37 pm to LSUTigahss
Start taking them now before those small bucks become few and far between, and the big bucks become that of myth.
Also contact Lwlf and apply for DMAP. This is what I’m doing next year. I’m not sure of the process, but I believe they send a biologist out to determine how many need to be taken. Theyll give you all the doe tags they believe you need to keep a good herd.
We’re going through the same thing at the moment. We are, we think, at around 3:1 ratio doe to bucks, and everyone has their own opinion on what is best going forward. Frankly we’re at a crossroads similar to you.
Also contact Lwlf and apply for DMAP. This is what I’m doing next year. I’m not sure of the process, but I believe they send a biologist out to determine how many need to be taken. Theyll give you all the doe tags they believe you need to keep a good herd.
We’re going through the same thing at the moment. We are, we think, at around 3:1 ratio doe to bucks, and everyone has their own opinion on what is best going forward. Frankly we’re at a crossroads similar to you.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 7:49 pm to LSUTigahss
High doe/buck ratio will lead to undersize bucks and poor racks.
You need 2/1 ratio maybe 3/1.
You need 2/1 ratio maybe 3/1.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 7:54 pm to HammerJackFlash
LDWF dmap will flood you with doe tags. Big mistake. The guy came to our lease in the 1990's, left his truck running, went in woods 10 minutes, came out gave us a second bundle of doe tags.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 9:27 pm to EF Hutton
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LDWF dmap will flood you with doe tags. Big mistake. The guy came to our lease in the 1990's, left his truck running, went in woods 10 minutes, came out gave us a second bundle of doe tags.
Just because they give you tags you don’t have use them.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 9:36 pm to HammerJackFlash
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apply for DMAP
Do this and then blast away. Id kill 10 a year if I could.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:25 pm to bbvdd
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High doe/buck ratio will lead to undersize bucks and poor racks.
You need 2/1 ratio maybe 3/1.
What? There aren’t many places where deer numbers affect the amount of food available for deer. Age is most effective way to get bigger bucks. It’s Nearly impossible to affect genetics with bullets.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 11:17 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Do this and then blast away. Id kill 10 a year if I could.
But why? You would seriously kill 10 deer a year?
You need help
Posted on 10/31/21 at 4:42 am to EF Hutton
That makes sense. Haha.
I really don’t know the best thing to do when you’re 3:1 or 2:1, we shoot a couple does a year. 3 tops. 400 acres. Just gonna send it and hoe for the best.
ETA: fear is ratio getting out of hand. And buck just laying up with their dick out
I really don’t know the best thing to do when you’re 3:1 or 2:1, we shoot a couple does a year. 3 tops. 400 acres. Just gonna send it and hoe for the best.
ETA: fear is ratio getting out of hand. And buck just laying up with their dick out
This post was edited on 10/31/21 at 4:48 am
Posted on 10/31/21 at 6:21 am to UnoMe
It’s called deer management and maybe downshift likes to hunt deer. On a year when we had a lot of deer, three of us killed 27 deer with our bows. Nearly all were does. DMAP is a tool to control the deer population. Nothing wrong with hunters using that tool.
Posted on 10/31/21 at 6:24 am to UnoMe
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But why?
They're delicious and I like shooting them.
Posted on 10/31/21 at 8:13 am to LSUTigahss
Shoot them, but not at your comfortable/ easy to hunt areas so they still feel comfortable there.
Posted on 10/31/21 at 8:31 am to tenfoe
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What? There aren’t many places where deer numbers affect the amount of food available for deer. Age is most effective way to get bigger bucks. It’s Nearly impossible to affect genetics with bullets.
Im sorry you don’t know deer management. In the rut bucks won’t eat the more time they spend chasing does the less time they eat, which leads to more energy burned and less weight. When they do eat, they will spend all that energy building up their weight instead of antlers.
This is not new
Posted on 10/31/21 at 8:37 am to LSUTigahss
I shoot my doe early to fill the freezer. I prefer the doe fawn as they are quite tender. (Have to make sure it is not a button buck.). I then only shoot big bucks (8 points or larger). I have too many does (5:1 ratio) and too many hunters that only shoot bucks. I’ve always heard the ratio needs to be 1:1 for the herd to do the best.
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