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Posted on 5/26/20 at 10:10 pm to saintsfan1977
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Any high velocity rifle from 22lr to the 50cal can take down anything in North America.
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A nail gun can probably drop an animal if you are close enough to it.
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I can drop a deer with a 223 all the way 338 Lapua doing what you just posted.
So, is this all hyperbole or trolling?? Whatever, it's truly funny!
And don't ask me to explain why caliber matters as I already have. Since you're such a strong believer in "caliber doesn't matter" are you telling us you're going to take a 22 LR (I'll be generous and let you even take a 223 Rem) to the woods for that once in a lifetime shot at a trophy whitetail deer at a severe quartering away angle at near dark when there's no other shot and it's a few steps from a heavy thicket?? OTOH, maybe you'll just use your nail gun!
Posted on 5/26/20 at 10:19 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
No. I was talking about dropping an animal. The caliber doesn't matter. Shoot a deer in the neck bone with a 223 and it won't take another step.
For a severe rear angle shot, you want something with some umf but let's be real, odds are that deer ain't dropping if you take that shot with a 223 or a 7mmRum. It will run off.
I'm sure there are plenty of people that will tell you their 308 dropped every deer in its tracks and that the 308 is the best. There are as many people that have had an animal run off after being shot. So dropping an animal in its tracks has zero to do with the caliber.
A double lung shot deer will run off no matter what you use. That's the truth.
I'm not arguing that a 270 is equal to a 22lr for all around deer hunting.
For a severe rear angle shot, you want something with some umf but let's be real, odds are that deer ain't dropping if you take that shot with a 223 or a 7mmRum. It will run off.
I'm sure there are plenty of people that will tell you their 308 dropped every deer in its tracks and that the 308 is the best. There are as many people that have had an animal run off after being shot. So dropping an animal in its tracks has zero to do with the caliber.
A double lung shot deer will run off no matter what you use. That's the truth.
I'm not arguing that a 270 is equal to a 22lr for all around deer hunting.
This post was edited on 5/26/20 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 5/26/20 at 11:41 pm to saintsfan1977
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I was talking about dropping an animal. The caliber doesn't matter.
It's confirmed......your argument is hopeless. Sounds like you think the only way to "drop an animal" is w/ a shot to the ear hole or the spine. Big game animals can be dropped using the proper bullet and caliber on other shots like certain heart/lung shots and double shoulder shots. You're not going to accomplish either of those w/ your 22LR or your 223, especially at close range.
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For a severe rear angle shot, you want something with some umf but let's be real, odds are that deer ain't dropping if you take that shot with a 223 or a 7mmRum. It will run off
Wrong again, see prior comment. .
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A double lung shot deer will run off no matter what you use. That's the truth.
Likely, but not necessarily and certainly not "the truth."
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I'm not arguing that a 270 is equal to a 22lr for all around deer hunting.
The 22LR is not an ethical (and usually not legal) round/caliber for deer hunting.
This post was edited on 5/27/20 at 12:08 am
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:15 am to TigerOnThe Hill
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You're not going to accomplish either of those w/ your 22LR or your 223, especially at close range.
BS. My brother's kids have anchored plenty of deer with a 223 at 100+ yds.
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Wrong again, see prior comment. .
How you going to claim I'm wrong? You automatically assume you can't drop a deer with a well placed shot using 223. You can't guarantee you will drop a deer unless you hit the spine or take out both front shoulders.
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The 22LR is not an ethical (and usually not legal) round/caliber for deer hunting.
No shite but it's easy to drop every deer in its tracks with a 22lr if you bring a QBeam.
You telling me I'm wrong. I'm not. The caliber doesn't decide whether a deer drops dead. The bullet in the right place does.
We can agree to disagree but if you think I'm wrong, you have yet to show me the evidence.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 6:06 am to White Bear
i'm suprised to see such a long winded thread on such a simple easy to answer question.
the best caliber for hunting big game in north america is a 300 win mag.
period.
which gun?
easy....
anything made by swiss hands.
if you want a coolest tactical rifle for deer hunting...
google ".300 Win Mag AR"
if you are poor..
google "savage 300 win mag"
a 300 win mag shoots like a laser and will drop deer instantly every time.
sight in at 500 yard... and you'll be good for anything you cross between 100 and 700 yards.
youre welcome.
the best caliber for hunting big game in north america is a 300 win mag.
period.
which gun?
easy....
anything made by swiss hands.
if you want a coolest tactical rifle for deer hunting...
google ".300 Win Mag AR"
if you are poor..
google "savage 300 win mag"
a 300 win mag shoots like a laser and will drop deer instantly every time.
sight in at 500 yard... and you'll be good for anything you cross between 100 and 700 yards.
youre welcome.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 6:30 am to saintsfan1977
I'm not even sure what your point is. That you CAN kill a tiger with a .22? Nobody's saying you cant kill a deer with a .223 or anything else. You're the one throwing around absolutes. Saying caliber doesnt matter is saying that all the bullet needs to do is land where you want it to land.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:14 am to Frosty86
if you're looking just to hunt with it, then the 30-06 works.
if you're going to the range on occasion, then the 30-06 fricking blows.
if you're going to the range on occasion, then the 30-06 fricking blows.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:06 am to mrgreenpants
500 yard zero for a 300 WIN will have you missing at 100.
The laser you speak of isn’t the 300 WIN. It’s the 257 WBY Death Ray.
The laser you speak of isn’t the 300 WIN. It’s the 257 WBY Death Ray.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:36 am to 257WBY
.300 winny is definitely a good one for a do-all in america. For a guy who only shoots deer it's a poor choice. Long barrel, lots of recoil or heavy gun, lots of noise, lots of destroyed meat, etc
If you're buying a gun to shoot deer, .270, .308, .30-06. Anything else is overcomplicating a very simple matter. 257wby is a cool arse deer popper though. I was reading an article the other day about a guy killing a bull elk with his
If you're buying a gun to shoot deer, .270, .308, .30-06. Anything else is overcomplicating a very simple matter. 257wby is a cool arse deer popper though. I was reading an article the other day about a guy killing a bull elk with his
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:45 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Hell, Roy Weatherby killed a Cape Buffalo with the 257 WBY.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:48 am to mrgreenpants
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a 300 win mag shoots like a laser and will drop deer instantly every time.
sight in at 500 yard... and you'll be good for anything you cross between 100 and 700 yards.
This really is one of the dumbest post I've seen. It has to be a troll.
If you sight a .300 win mag at 400 yards you're 10+" above the target at 200yds.
Sighted in at 200yds the bullet will be ~ 20" low at 400yds and 40" at 500 yards
This is with 180 grain bullet.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:48 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I'm not even sure what your point is. That you CAN kill a tiger with a .22? Nobody's saying you cant kill a deer with a .223 or anything else. You're the one throwing around absolutes. Saying caliber doesnt matter is saying that all the bullet needs to do is land where you want it to land.
Someone posted that their rifle (308)¿dropped every deer shot.
Caliber matters for big game hunting but all I stated was that when it comes to DRT, then it really doesn't matter. It's shot placement. That's all I was saying. Nowhere did I say that a 223 was equivalent to the 300WM or any other caliber.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 1:22 pm to saintsfan1977
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You automatically assume you can't drop a deer with a well placed shot using 223.
The caliber doesn't decide whether a deer drops dead. The bullet in the right place does.
Agreed that a 223 (for example) can drop an animal w/ certain shots, like a direcct spine shot or ear hole shot. Heck a 22LR can likely do that at point blank range. But, we don'g get to hunt like that. That's not what I'm disputing. What I've been trying to explain is that there are shots other than ear hole or direct spine shots than can make a "dead right there" shot. Examples would include certain heart/lung shots or double shoulder shots. To make such a shot requires an appropriate combination of bullet and caliber. The 22LR and 223 do not have sufficient energy/deep penetrating bullet to reliably break both shoulders or penetrate deep into the chest from all angles on big game. With those types of shots, caliber and bullet do play a role. That's the point I'd like to make to others, for what is, hopefully, the last time.
ETA: The thread started w/ the OP asking for suggested rile and caliber for deer hunting. Consequently, my responses have been for actual hunting purposes.
This post was edited on 5/27/20 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 5/28/20 at 3:43 pm to 257WBY
Sure did, and his name was Jones. Wrote a book about it as I recollect.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 3:54 pm to DeoreDX
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My personal faves are 223
I've almost exclusively used .223 with varmint loads since I was a kid.
I've never had a deer take more than a single jump.
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