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Bringing dirt in around a tree: how to do it and not kill the tree (if possible)?

Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:16 pm
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6185 posts
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:16 pm
My in-laws have a live oak tree (probably 40'-50' in diameter on their land that is currently in a hole about 20’ in dia and 1’ deep. What happened was the land around them was developed and their land flooded so to resolve this, the developer had to raise my in-laws land about 1’ to ensure proper drainage. So this tree is in the middle of their yard and it had a large hole around it. Is there any way to gradually add dirt to this hole to fill it in? I’ve heard that if you fill it in, the tree will die. Maybe an inch or ½” per year until it’s good? Or can you leave a smaller hole only around the trunk?
Posted by LSUengr
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
2328 posts
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:41 pm to
Best to have an arborist look at it. Sounds like there is already fill in the root zone. Even gradually filling in the hole can eventually injure the tree. The roots get covered and decay. There are aeration techniques but effectiveness is debatable.
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6185 posts
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:56 pm to
This happened 8-10 years ago and the tree is fine. Just trying to figure of how to fill the hole. May build a deck over it.
Posted by Huntinguy
Member since Mar 2011
1752 posts
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:03 pm to
Talk to a landscape architect.
Posted by Jack Daniel
In the bottle
Member since Feb 2013
25414 posts
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

40'-50' in diameter

Diameter or circumference?

Because a tree with 40’-50’ diameter would be the largest tree in history of trees.
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6185 posts
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:08 pm to
drip line. probably 2'-3' dia trunk
Posted by Churchill
Member since Apr 2009
496 posts
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:10 pm to
Plant some ground cover around it such as Mexican daisies or vinca. It will eventually fill itself in while looking nice.
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
15082 posts
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:17 pm to
quote:

May build a deck over it.


Is deck code for covered mosquito pit
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6185 posts
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:25 pm to
it doesn't hold water, the dirt that was added turtle-backs around the tree and flows outward so it actually stays dry under the tree even after the strongest showers. i want to have something up to the trunk so we can use the tree for shade, a swing, etc...
Posted by Homey the Clown
Member since Feb 2009
5711 posts
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:31 pm to
40'-50' means 40 feet to 50 feet. 40"-50" means 40 inches to 50 inches, just for future reference. Big pet peeve of mine.

As to the question, I don't know.
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6185 posts
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:33 pm to
i know what ' and " mean. clearly i didn't mean the trunk was 40'-50'. i mean the drip line is 40' (feet) to 50' (feet).
Posted by Homey the Clown
Member since Feb 2009
5711 posts
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:47 pm to
My apologies, sir.
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
15028 posts
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:57 pm to
quote:

Plant some ground cover around it such as Mexican daisies or vinca. It will eventually fill itself in while looking nice.


Hostas will work well in that situation as they like growing in the shade and make pretty large leaves as they grow. That would fill in the area quick.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
29906 posts
Posted on 7/31/18 at 6:35 pm to
this is what i was told about adding dirt around a small young tree.

add no more the 1 1/2 - 2" of dirt at a time and allow at least a month before adding another 2" layer.

i was told the reason is you need to allow time for the roots to grow up shallow to the surface, if you bury the roots too deep the tend to have trouble getting rain water to the roots and it hurts the tree.

for a well established fully grown tree like yours, i would think its ok to simply fill in the hole level to the surrounding ground with no ill effects.

the rule of thumb is the root mass is equal to the umbrella branches you see above ground so anything you do around the base of that tree, short of damaging the bark layer, will have no affect on the roots spread out throughout the whole yard, they are the life blood of that tree being healthy.

for a tree of that age and size i wouldnt risk making a mistake and i suggest you take pictures and send them to someone at the LSU agricultural center and seek advice from the brainiacs there about this
This post was edited on 7/31/18 at 7:01 pm
Posted by saray
Member since May 2014
458 posts
Posted on 7/31/18 at 7:39 pm to
i had same problem- arborist said do NOT fill all at once - I did 2-3 inches(no more) for 1/2 around tree then next year the other half- planted monkey grass and looks beautiful 5 years later
Posted by Capital Cajun
Over Yonder
Member since Aug 2007
5525 posts
Posted on 7/31/18 at 7:59 pm to
Call an arborist or you could build a wall around it and create a tree well.
Posted by Jj283
Houma
Member since May 2015
798 posts
Posted on 7/31/18 at 8:27 pm to
Sounds like a prime spot for a coon to hang out.
Posted by CootDisCootDat
St. Charles, The Community
Member since May 2014
1643 posts
Posted on 8/1/18 at 9:21 am to
A coon under a live oak? Maybe a Pecan.

That comment came from somewhere out in right field...
Posted by Skywalker
St. George
Member since Jul 2010
1248 posts
Posted on 8/1/18 at 9:24 am to
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6185 posts
Posted on 8/2/18 at 1:45 pm to
Photos of the area





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