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re: Best rifle when it hits the fan? .357 magnum lever action rifle
Posted on 11/12/26 at 7:34 am to KB375
Posted on 11/12/26 at 7:34 am to KB375
Yeah, I know the stuff is out there, but my original post was more along the lines of say, Sig or Springfield, packaging them together. Like if the Saint Victor could take XD mags. Sell me both in one box.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 7:36 am to Buck_Rogers
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These ammo scenarios are stupid. If you have enough for your rifle then it doesn't matter what caliber you prefer. If you access more ammo of another caliber, chances are you plugged a guy with a rifle that shoots that particular ammo.
This. If you have to use the ammo you currently have against people, you're either not going to need any more because you're dead or you're not going to need any more because you now have theirs.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 8:05 am to bbvdd
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I want the most common ammo that’s always available and that if I need to I can pick up brass and load. 9mm and .223.
Throw in .22lr - and you would have 3 guns that would likely always have some degree of available ammo until the end of any apocalypse.
Yes, there is a bit of .38spl/.357, .45 ACP, .30-06, and the like, but the "Big 3" of survival ammo has been - for well over a generation, 9mm Parabellum, 5.56mm NATO (largely equivalent/compatible .223 Remington), and .22 Long Rifle.
If you want a 4th, 7.62mm NATO.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 8:46 am to prplhze2000
Depends how we are defining SHTF. Two weeks of armed unrest? Hard to beat an AR. Years of full societal breakdown? You’re going to wish you were sitting on a mountain of .22lr when the biggest animal that hasn’t been hunted to extinction in your area is a squirrel and simply having a functioning firearm will put you ahead of the majority of the population.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 10:52 am to Joshjrn
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You’re going to wish you were sitting on a mountain of .22lr when the biggest animal that hasn’t been hunted to extinction in your area is a squirrel and simply having a functioning firearm will put you ahead of the majority of the population.
+1
Market hunting almost wiped out every big game species in North America early 1900s with the population 1/5th of what it is today.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 11:21 am to Joshjrn
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Depends how we are defining SHTF. Two weeks of armed unrest? Hard to beat an AR. Years of full societal breakdown? You’re going to wish you were sitting on a mountain of .22lr when the biggest animal that hasn’t been hunted to extinction in your area is a squirrel and simply having a functioning firearm will put you ahead of the majority of the population.
Nothing is saving you in that scenario. These videos are thinly veiled talking points to convince the wife why she doesn’t get a new purse just cause you got a new gun. The best piece of SHTF gear is a separate checking account.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 12:37 pm to prplhze2000
I assume it's whichever one you are accurate with and have the most ammo for, regardless of caliber.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 3:22 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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community is how you get through something like that.
Yes, because of the sleeping problem.
A lone wolf still has to sleep. You need a wolf pack.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 3:57 pm to prplhze2000
Not looking to start an Apocalypse argument but FWIW.
If you had to have ONE gun. You would want one that you could use for all purposes that is super simple and durable and has ammo available all over the place.
How you wouldn't choose a 12 gauge shotgun (Remington 870 for me) is beyond my understanding.
Bird hunt, deer hunt, self defense, etc. Ammo everywhere and different kinds for different purposes. Simple, tough and easy to operate.
If you had to have ONE gun. You would want one that you could use for all purposes that is super simple and durable and has ammo available all over the place.
How you wouldn't choose a 12 gauge shotgun (Remington 870 for me) is beyond my understanding.
Bird hunt, deer hunt, self defense, etc. Ammo everywhere and different kinds for different purposes. Simple, tough and easy to operate.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 5:34 pm to jbgleason
Yes, a 12ga shotgun is the obvious choice. Don’t overthink it
Posted on 11/12/26 at 5:56 pm to jbgleason
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How you wouldn't choose a 12 gauge shotgun
Ammo is extremely heavy and bulky, and a shotgun is abysmal in a firefight unless you are extremely good with it.
If you dont have combat or mobility in the equation, a shotgun is a really good choice. Its the most versatile weapon, if you dont include combat or mobility.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 6:18 pm to prplhze2000
This has been discussed to death and the answer is the Ruger 10/22
Posted on 11/12/26 at 6:33 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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The best piece of SHTF gear is a separate checking account.
I’m using that one!
Posted on 11/12/26 at 7:04 pm to ecb
Yep.
Everybody thinks gun fight, and ends up with something like a mk18 as their idea shtf weapon.
In reality, you arent getting far with that without a team of 6+ guys who know how to roll, and that number goes up exponentionally if youre keeping women and children. Your only REAL chance if if you dont have a staffed compound is just you is to keep your head down long enough for the initial cluster frick to clear up, and then try to start again.
Everybody thinks gun fight, and ends up with something like a mk18 as their idea shtf weapon.
In reality, you arent getting far with that without a team of 6+ guys who know how to roll, and that number goes up exponentionally if youre keeping women and children. Your only REAL chance if if you dont have a staffed compound is just you is to keep your head down long enough for the initial cluster frick to clear up, and then try to start again.
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