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re: BASS Helping the cause.......
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:13 pm to Ron Cheramie
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:13 pm to Ron Cheramie
quote:Simply stating the law is lazy though. We know the law, the issue is does the law make sense and should it be changed.
You are saying the law as it stands agrees with what alx has said all along
I agree the law is clear
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:22 pm to lsupride87
I agree as well. The law is silly. But it is the law right now. That's all the argument was.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:35 pm to Ron Cheramie
The law is silly. No one would ever contest that the land under the water is not theirs, but seriously "our" water is sitting on top of that land and it continues to flow in and out.
If the landowner has the right to put in a barricade of sorts, I think the state should require it to be a earthen berm/levee, charge them for the cubic feet of public water that is now filling in "their" property and impose a berm/levee tax on top of their property tax. All after a very expensive environmental and engineering survey is done to make sure the public safety is taken care of before construction. (basically make it not work blocking it off financially) Or they can let the public access the public's water. Stay off their land, but access the water.
If the landowner has the right to put in a barricade of sorts, I think the state should require it to be a earthen berm/levee, charge them for the cubic feet of public water that is now filling in "their" property and impose a berm/levee tax on top of their property tax. All after a very expensive environmental and engineering survey is done to make sure the public safety is taken care of before construction. (basically make it not work blocking it off financially) Or they can let the public access the public's water. Stay off their land, but access the water.
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:41 pm to td1
quote:
Or they can let the public access the public water
Can I fish there or just pass through?
Can I duck hunt?
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:46 pm to Ron Cheramie
Would I be trespassing if my jig is bouncing on the bottom?
Posted on 3/29/18 at 11:09 pm to td1
quote:
charge them for the cubic feet of public water that is now filling in "their" property and impose a berm/levee tax on top of their property tax. All after a very expensive environmental and engineering survey is done to make sure the public safety is taken care of before construction. (basically make it not work blocking it off financially) Or they can let the public access the public's water. Stay off their land, but access the water.
You sound like a resident of North Baton Rouge. Gary Chambers is that you?
Posted on 3/30/18 at 8:20 am to WPBTiger
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Yet, CCA Louisiana is no where to be found on this.
As long as the land manager for Apache sits on the CCA board you can pretty much forget about CCA publicly supporting anything of the sort.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:53 am to MrLSU
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Where in the hell is the CCA at on this? I've received no notification from them alerting me to this bill or their stance.
their stance as has been stated several times before over the years is "land owners have rights too" in other words, screw the fishermen, our rich land owner friends are happy with things the way they are.
CCA has clearly shown based on history that they only get involved in denying rights to fishermen and reducing their ability to take from the resources. they flat out refuse to even allow discussion on raising creel limits and reducing size limits on redfish and black drum even though there is clear scientific evidence of over population that is decimating the crab and oyster populations in this state.
they also refuse to support removing the reduced speckled trout creel limits in big lake area (15 fish limit) that was supposed to increase the average size and create more trophy trout there, yet scientific proof shows too many numbers of small fish decimated the food stocks and had the reverse affect of making the average size of trout there smaller. yet they refuse to support undoing this monumental error and failure of resource management.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:03 pm to keakar
In this state, CCA is just an organization that hosts a huge fishing tournament They put in a few artificial reefs every now and again but that's about it. That's the cold hard truth.
This comin from a CCA member. I don't expect them to join in on some of these fights that are losing battles. Or damned if you do, damned if you don't battles.
Your gripe about the redfish overpopulation does not need CCAs approval in order for change to happen. CCA doesn't make rules
This comin from a CCA member. I don't expect them to join in on some of these fights that are losing battles. Or damned if you do, damned if you don't battles.
Your gripe about the redfish overpopulation does not need CCAs approval in order for change to happen. CCA doesn't make rules
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:05 pm to keakar
And as far as crab declines go, I think it's clearly the amount of traps and the number of females that are coming out the water. There used to be size limits in crabs, that's what needs to go back
And have you seen the amount of crab traps out in our waters now?
And have you seen the amount of crab traps out in our waters now?
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:13 pm to Capt ST
quote:
You sound like a resident of North Baton Rouge. Gary Chambers is that you?
Not even close.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:14 pm to Ron Cheramie
quote:
Your gripe about the redfish overpopulation does not need CCAs approval in order for change to happen. CCA doesn't make rules
when it was brought up for consideration CCA was ask to speak on the matter, they chose to be opposed to it and state that they will always side against any measure that reduces conservation of resources. in other words, never raise limits on anything, ever, even if it will hurt the resource to not increase limits because of over population.
they did not have to be in favor of it, had they just had "no opinion" it would have moved forward, but they chose to come out vocally against it and poo-poo the whole idea, despite it being logical and necessary thing to do to make the resource better
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:20 pm to WPBTiger
quote:
Yet, CCA Louisiana is no where to be found on this.
And they won't be, as stated. There is too much private money driving that organization.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:41 pm to keakar
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When it was brought up for consideration
Got a link?
Brought up to consideration to whom?
Posted on 3/30/18 at 3:07 pm to Ron Cheramie
quote:
I don't expect them to join in on some of these fights that are losing battles.
Help me understand this reasoning. You prefer to be part of an organization that won’t take on tough battles because the chance is losing is high? What’s the point of being a member of an organization that won’t fight for change that benefits the interest of the members?
Posted on 3/30/18 at 3:25 pm to Pat Sajak
Because it's not in their mission to do so. It's suicide to get involved with it Lose lose situation.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 3:35 pm to Ron Cheramie
quote:
MISSION STATEMENT The purpose of CCA is to advise and educate the public on conservation of marine resources. The objective of CCA is to conserve, promote, and enhance the present and future availability of those coastal resources for the benefit and enjoyment of the general public.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 3:52 pm to Pat Sajak
in that mission statement I didn't see where it said to give public access to private property without compensation. Because as it stands, that's what it is
Posted on 3/30/18 at 4:40 pm to Ron Cheramie
Does the proposal enhance the present and future availability of water, (coastal resources) for the benefit and enjoyment of the general public? If so, that falls in line with what the CCA says they support, regardless of how it affects the rights of private property owners. You notice the mission statement neglects to mention private land owners, but mentions the “general public.”
You can put whatever spin you want it, but to claim the bill does not fall within the mission statement of CCA is just being obtuse. I can say just the opposite: I don’t see where it said to refuse to support legislation that restores angler access to fishable waters.
You can put whatever spin you want it, but to claim the bill does not fall within the mission statement of CCA is just being obtuse. I can say just the opposite: I don’t see where it said to refuse to support legislation that restores angler access to fishable waters.
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