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re: BASS Helping the cause.......

Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:13 pm to
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95170 posts
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:13 pm to
quote:

You are saying the law as it stands agrees with what alx has said all along

Simply stating the law is lazy though. We know the law, the issue is does the law make sense and should it be changed.

I agree the law is clear
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 4:14 pm
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5142 posts
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:22 pm to
I agree as well. The law is silly. But it is the law right now. That's all the argument was.
Posted by td1
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
2837 posts
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:35 pm to
The law is silly. No one would ever contest that the land under the water is not theirs, but seriously "our" water is sitting on top of that land and it continues to flow in and out.

If the landowner has the right to put in a barricade of sorts, I think the state should require it to be a earthen berm/levee, charge them for the cubic feet of public water that is now filling in "their" property and impose a berm/levee tax on top of their property tax. All after a very expensive environmental and engineering survey is done to make sure the public safety is taken care of before construction. (basically make it not work blocking it off financially) Or they can let the public access the public's water. Stay off their land, but access the water.
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 4:37 pm
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5142 posts
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:41 pm to
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Or they can let the public access the public water


Can I fish there or just pass through?


Can I duck hunt?
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:46 pm to
Would I be trespassing if my jig is bouncing on the bottom?
Posted by Capt ST
Hotel California
Member since Aug 2011
12820 posts
Posted on 3/29/18 at 11:09 pm to
quote:

charge them for the cubic feet of public water that is now filling in "their" property and impose a berm/levee tax on top of their property tax. All after a very expensive environmental and engineering survey is done to make sure the public safety is taken care of before construction. (basically make it not work blocking it off financially) Or they can let the public access the public's water. Stay off their land, but access the water.


You sound like a resident of North Baton Rouge. Gary Chambers is that you?
Posted by HotKoolaid
Member since Oct 2017
444 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 8:20 am to
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Yet, CCA Louisiana is no where to be found on this.



As long as the land manager for Apache sits on the CCA board you can pretty much forget about CCA publicly supporting anything of the sort.
Posted by HDAU
Member since Nov 2014
1569 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:47 am to
Good for BASS!
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30008 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:53 am to
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Where in the hell is the CCA at on this? I've received no notification from them alerting me to this bill or their stance.


their stance as has been stated several times before over the years is "land owners have rights too" in other words, screw the fishermen, our rich land owner friends are happy with things the way they are.

CCA has clearly shown based on history that they only get involved in denying rights to fishermen and reducing their ability to take from the resources. they flat out refuse to even allow discussion on raising creel limits and reducing size limits on redfish and black drum even though there is clear scientific evidence of over population that is decimating the crab and oyster populations in this state.

they also refuse to support removing the reduced speckled trout creel limits in big lake area (15 fish limit) that was supposed to increase the average size and create more trophy trout there, yet scientific proof shows too many numbers of small fish decimated the food stocks and had the reverse affect of making the average size of trout there smaller. yet they refuse to support undoing this monumental error and failure of resource management.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 12:03 pm
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5142 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:03 pm to
In this state, CCA is just an organization that hosts a huge fishing tournament They put in a few artificial reefs every now and again but that's about it. That's the cold hard truth.

This comin from a CCA member. I don't expect them to join in on some of these fights that are losing battles. Or damned if you do, damned if you don't battles.

Your gripe about the redfish overpopulation does not need CCAs approval in order for change to happen. CCA doesn't make rules
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5142 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:05 pm to
And as far as crab declines go, I think it's clearly the amount of traps and the number of females that are coming out the water. There used to be size limits in crabs, that's what needs to go back

And have you seen the amount of crab traps out in our waters now?
Posted by td1
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
2837 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:13 pm to
quote:

You sound like a resident of North Baton Rouge. Gary Chambers is that you?


Not even close.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30008 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:14 pm to
quote:

Your gripe about the redfish overpopulation does not need CCAs approval in order for change to happen. CCA doesn't make rules


when it was brought up for consideration CCA was ask to speak on the matter, they chose to be opposed to it and state that they will always side against any measure that reduces conservation of resources. in other words, never raise limits on anything, ever, even if it will hurt the resource to not increase limits because of over population.

they did not have to be in favor of it, had they just had "no opinion" it would have moved forward, but they chose to come out vocally against it and poo-poo the whole idea, despite it being logical and necessary thing to do to make the resource better
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 12:49 pm
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12715 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:20 pm to
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Yet, CCA Louisiana is no where to be found on this.

And they won't be, as stated. There is too much private money driving that organization.
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5142 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

When it was brought up for consideration


Got a link?

Brought up to consideration to whom?
Posted by Pat Sajak
New Orleans
Member since May 2009
754 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 3:07 pm to
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I don't expect them to join in on some of these fights that are losing battles.


Help me understand this reasoning. You prefer to be part of an organization that won’t take on tough battles because the chance is losing is high? What’s the point of being a member of an organization that won’t fight for change that benefits the interest of the members?
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5142 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 3:25 pm to
Because it's not in their mission to do so. It's suicide to get involved with it Lose lose situation.
Posted by Pat Sajak
New Orleans
Member since May 2009
754 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 3:35 pm to
quote:

MISSION STATEMENT The purpose of CCA is to advise and educate the public on conservation of marine resources. The objective of CCA is to conserve, promote, and enhance the present and future availability of those coastal resources for the benefit and enjoyment of the general public.
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5142 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 3:52 pm to
in that mission statement I didn't see where it said to give public access to private property without compensation. Because as it stands, that's what it is
Posted by Pat Sajak
New Orleans
Member since May 2009
754 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 4:40 pm to
Does the proposal enhance the present and future availability of water, (coastal resources) for the benefit and enjoyment of the general public? If so, that falls in line with what the CCA says they support, regardless of how it affects the rights of private property owners. You notice the mission statement neglects to mention private land owners, but mentions the “general public.”

You can put whatever spin you want it, but to claim the bill does not fall within the mission statement of CCA is just being obtuse. I can say just the opposite: I don’t see where it said to refuse to support legislation that restores angler access to fishable waters.
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