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re: BASS Helping the cause.......
Posted on 3/30/18 at 4:51 pm to Pat Sajak
Posted on 3/30/18 at 4:51 pm to Pat Sajak
quote:
restored angler access to fishable waters
How are you going to restore access to private property that's always been private?
There is no restoring access. The term you are looking for is GAIN access. You want to access private property
Fishable or navigable or whatever term you want to use means nothing. The creek behind my house is flooded right now It's fishable and navigable. Doesn't mean I can put my boat in it and fish in someone's backyard
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 7:47 pm to Ron Cheramie
In 49 states, I can not own tidal water. Yet Louisiana allows me to control access to tidally influenced canals. Canals which not one of these landowners dug themselves but were instead compensated for by an oil exploration company. It boggles my mind how Ron C and AlxTgr can't wrap their minds around the concept that you simply can not own tidal water. If the property is yours, fine. Then put up a complete blockade across the opening so the fish and water that the citizens of Louisiana have every right to cannot move onto said property.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 9:10 pm to Big Bill
quote:You don't understand the issue here. What do you think your statement means? The law is clear on this now. If you want it changed, advocate for it. Using poor arguments isn't a good strategy.
It boggles my mind how Ron C and AlxTgr can't wrap their minds around the concept that you simply can not own tidal water
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:15 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
Excellent post.
Isn't already well established that property lines remain during times of high water? With property on a state claimed water body, everything below the average high water line is controlled by the state. Right? So during times of flooding you can not cross the high water line just because the property is covered by water.
Is the marsh different because the property lines are not described as ending at a high water mark but rather drawn off in plots with their property being fixed? Even though the water moves on and off the property property line doesn't change. Personally I think once you enter the water, you should be able to move around within it's normal range but I don't fully understand why it was ever treated as dry land in the first place.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:31 pm to HotKoolaid
quote:
but I don't fully understand why it was ever treated as dry land in the first place.
Much of it was coastal marshland that was not navigable decades ago. Through susidence and/or erosion it has become a network or trenasses and ponds or part of other lakes, bayous or lagoons and is now easily navigable. Still private property from a legal perspective.
Posted on 3/31/18 at 12:00 am to HotKoolaid
Look at the land in the pics on this link
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That is Roseau cane. That is land right now. Someone is paying taxes on that land Let's say the scale kills that Roseau for good and now it's navigable open water. That "land" still belongs to the landowner even though it's underwater. The law as is stated right now, allows that landowner to keep people off it even though its submerged
It seems silly when you look at it from an elementary perspective. "Hey lousiana is the only state that allows tidal waters to be private". They fail to mention that it was once land and has just now become water and taxes are still being paid
What's crazy is that people think the landowner should just give up the land that has eroded away and is underwater now
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That is Roseau cane. That is land right now. Someone is paying taxes on that land Let's say the scale kills that Roseau for good and now it's navigable open water. That "land" still belongs to the landowner even though it's underwater. The law as is stated right now, allows that landowner to keep people off it even though its submerged
It seems silly when you look at it from an elementary perspective. "Hey lousiana is the only state that allows tidal waters to be private". They fail to mention that it was once land and has just now become water and taxes are still being paid
What's crazy is that people think the landowner should just give up the land that has eroded away and is underwater now
Posted on 3/31/18 at 7:45 am to Ron Cheramie
I am ok with that.
I am not ok using public dollars to stop
Coastal erosion on private property. If the landowner wants to save his property he should pay for it not the public.
I am not ok using public dollars to stop
Coastal erosion on private property. If the landowner wants to save his property he should pay for it not the public.
Posted on 3/31/18 at 8:49 am to johnnyrocket
I believe coastal waters should be treated differently. Problem=defining it.
As to the other point, we all lose if we don't protect the coast, private or no.
As to the other point, we all lose if we don't protect the coast, private or no.
Posted on 3/31/18 at 12:35 pm to johnnyrocket
quote:
I am not ok using public dollars to stop
Coastal erosion on private property. If the landowner wants to save his property he should pay for it not the public.
The problem here is that that property affects more than just that landowner. You can't put all the money into public lands and expect everything to be ok. And coastal restoration is not a cheap endeavor, so to expect a private landowner to pay for it himself is foolish, to say the least.
You could put all the money you want into Rockefeller, Sabine, and Cameron Prairie, but when all the private land erodes away from lack of effort, all you will have is islands.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 12:15 pm to Ron Cheramie
Posted on 4/8/18 at 5:58 pm to Cowboyfan89
Mike Foster “ the so called sportsman’s governor “ was the one who helped lobby to legislators to pass laws to help owners gate canals.
My family and I have land in Vermilion parish. I do not feel sorry for landowners who allowed leasees or they dug canals on their property for the benefit of boats being able to travel from their property to the marsh. Some did it for oilfield workers to reach parts of their property. Others did it to make it easier for duck hunters that lease their land to move around. My grandfather was always against this. He knew you make it easier to get to the Bay, you also make it easier for saltwater to get to your property.
They also dreged vermillion bay for the shells and destroyed the bay by doing this.
I do not think any tax payer should pay one cent to help landowners who basically destroyed their property or allowed leasees to destroy their property.
My family and I have land in Vermilion parish. I do not feel sorry for landowners who allowed leasees or they dug canals on their property for the benefit of boats being able to travel from their property to the marsh. Some did it for oilfield workers to reach parts of their property. Others did it to make it easier for duck hunters that lease their land to move around. My grandfather was always against this. He knew you make it easier to get to the Bay, you also make it easier for saltwater to get to your property.
They also dreged vermillion bay for the shells and destroyed the bay by doing this.
I do not think any tax payer should pay one cent to help landowners who basically destroyed their property or allowed leasees to destroy their property.
This post was edited on 4/8/18 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 4/9/18 at 8:30 am to johnnyrocket
quote:What laws?
Mike Foster “ the so called sportsman’s governor “ was the one who helped lobby to legislators to pass laws to help owners gate canals.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:24 am to Ron Cheramie
Treat the marsh like open range grazing out west.
Fishermen could get a permit to fish tidal waters over private property. Money collected could be used to further coastal restoration efforts and reduce property taxes for those landowners who allow access/fishing.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:55 am to pointdog33
Sounds to me like everyone pretty much agrees something needs to be done but can't agree what. Can we also agree that the bill HB whatever is garbage and should not pass as it stands? It's needs reworking?
I know a bunch of people are going to be there to represent it but it's actually not a good bill that needs work
I know a bunch of people are going to be there to represent it but it's actually not a good bill that needs work
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:57 am to Ron Cheramie
Most legislation isn’t perfect and if you’re waiting for perfect it will never happen
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:31 am to Ron Cheramie
quote:
HB whatever is garbage and should not pass as it stands?
Yeah. It only addresses navigation, and nothing else.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:39 am to AlxTgr
These guys still complaining about not being able to trespass?
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:41 am to stoms
It will do very little of anything for the people that are so adamant about the tidal water fishing issue. It's like they didn't even read it
It should be voted down and it needs work before being brought back up
It should be voted down and it needs work before being brought back up
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:44 am to Clyde Tipton
And calling people names that are supported by our law.
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