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re: Bad Moon Rising
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:36 pm to MrLSU
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:36 pm to MrLSU
Why is no one talking about how the creel decrease and the size increase in Cameron and Calcasieu hasn't improved the fisheries in that area?
I'm not opposed to a creel decrease to 15 per person, but a size increase or an area closure seems a bit overboard to me. Everyone keeps talking about what Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida are doing... the bottom line is none of those states have the fisheries that Louisiana has. Louisiana is called the Sportsman Paradise for a reason.
Like mentioned by previous posters... the bigger issue is the Oyster fisheries downturn. Why aren't they studying this more??? Because they are not going to stop diversions and spillway openings. Those are the catalysts to the local fisheries downturn.
What is everyone going to do with those $80K bay boats when the creel limit goes down the 5 fish???
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EXCEPT: 15 fish daily bag and possession limit, with no more than two spotted seatrout exceeding 25 inches total length, regardless of where taken in a defined area of Cameron and Calcasieu parishes located in southwestern Louisiana.
I'm not opposed to a creel decrease to 15 per person, but a size increase or an area closure seems a bit overboard to me. Everyone keeps talking about what Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida are doing... the bottom line is none of those states have the fisheries that Louisiana has. Louisiana is called the Sportsman Paradise for a reason.
Like mentioned by previous posters... the bigger issue is the Oyster fisheries downturn. Why aren't they studying this more??? Because they are not going to stop diversions and spillway openings. Those are the catalysts to the local fisheries downturn.
What is everyone going to do with those $80K bay boats when the creel limit goes down the 5 fish???
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Posted on 9/9/19 at 2:30 pm to Me Bite
Why did Calcasieu trout fishing decline after the 15-fish limit?
This from an article in June 2017 in LA Sportsman.
"Big Lake was a prolific oyster-producing lake until the mid-2000s, when scrapers were first allowed as a harvest method. Since then, CCA, who supported the new legislation, says the population has plummeted: In 2003, there were nearly 1.2 million sacks available on Big Lake. Now, there are fewer than 100,000 sacks available, CCA said."
Oysters are amazing filtration systems that improve water clarity and quality. They also are prime habitat for a wide variety of marine organisms. Without oysters, Big Lake - with it's lack of bathymetry - is simply a big bathtub... full of dirty, low oxygenated water.
This from an article in June 2017 in LA Sportsman.
"Big Lake was a prolific oyster-producing lake until the mid-2000s, when scrapers were first allowed as a harvest method. Since then, CCA, who supported the new legislation, says the population has plummeted: In 2003, there were nearly 1.2 million sacks available on Big Lake. Now, there are fewer than 100,000 sacks available, CCA said."
Oysters are amazing filtration systems that improve water clarity and quality. They also are prime habitat for a wide variety of marine organisms. Without oysters, Big Lake - with it's lack of bathymetry - is simply a big bathtub... full of dirty, low oxygenated water.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 5:24 pm to Jeff Goldblum
How many pounds of bycatch in the shrimp boats vs what the rec guys cull?
Posted on 9/9/19 at 5:53 pm to Me Bite
In Mississippi, landings of all shrimp are down 60 percent as of the end of July, while brown shrimp landings are down 85 percent, compared to the five-year average, Joe Spraggins, director of the MDMR, told SeafoodSource. What’s more, blue crab landings dropped 40 percent, and oyster mortalities are between 95 and 98 percent.
“It is not just [damage] this year; it is a long-term effect. As far as the oysters, it is going to take five to 10 years to get it back, and three to four years for the crabs,” Spraggins said.
Gulf Fisheries Suffer Major Setback
People also don't talk about the decimation of the Oyster reefs which also helped curb storm surge and helped keep the marshes together. We allowed these oyster fisherman to completely rape the system which is another major factor as others have mentioned above.
Unfortunately the Louisiana Seafood Promotion Board and others care only about selling as much seafood out of state and care little about what the commercial fishery is doing to the state. Louisiana really does manage its resources as well as DOTD oversees the infrastructure.
“It is not just [damage] this year; it is a long-term effect. As far as the oysters, it is going to take five to 10 years to get it back, and three to four years for the crabs,” Spraggins said.
Gulf Fisheries Suffer Major Setback
People also don't talk about the decimation of the Oyster reefs which also helped curb storm surge and helped keep the marshes together. We allowed these oyster fisherman to completely rape the system which is another major factor as others have mentioned above.
Unfortunately the Louisiana Seafood Promotion Board and others care only about selling as much seafood out of state and care little about what the commercial fishery is doing to the state. Louisiana really does manage its resources as well as DOTD oversees the infrastructure.
This post was edited on 9/9/19 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 9/9/19 at 8:06 pm to TBoy
It's more about use of time and better usage of funds. I have to drive 2-3hrs round trip, that's a lot of driving to catch 10-15 fish which can be done pretty quickly when the bite is on.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 8:08 pm to TBoy
What is the consensus on the catch and release mortality rates? I have heard it is high in trout 12" and smaller, like 40%?
Posted on 9/9/19 at 8:31 pm to GREENHEAD22
Biggest factor is where they are hooked, if in the throat or gills they are most likely going to die, if in the mouth trout are way tougher than most people think. They've done a couple of pretty extensive studies on them over here in Texas. 80 to 90% survival rates are not uncommon especially if one uses a little common sense when handling them.
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Posted on 9/9/19 at 8:41 pm to GREENHEAD22
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have heard it is high in trout 12" and smaller, like 40%?
Is that including the porpoises that wait by your boat for your throwbacks?
GI has become infested with them
Posted on 9/9/19 at 8:51 pm to TxWadingFool
I wish they could have broken it down by size, in my limited trout fishing experience in TX that average fish is significantly larger than in LA.
I've had days where you will catch 4-1 undersized trout for every keeper.
I've had days where you will catch 4-1 undersized trout for every keeper.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 9:09 pm to MrLSU
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BP oil spill really has started crashing the environment but so to has the severe over production of Louisiana oysters. Oyster reefs have been decimated over the years and the public is largely unaware of their disappearance over the last ten years.
The biologists will be blaming BP for 25 more years until ALL that money is gone. It’s an easy thing to blame and there’s been tons of money for them by doing it.
Oyster fishing has been an issue all over the gulf coast. That industry is about to be crushed in the next 10 years I think. The problem is you can tell someone all day long that 3 recreational fishing boats at $80,000 each is more money to an area then 1 oysterman that sells $80,000 of oysters for a $40k a year net job. But you try and take that one job away and politicians go nuts. It’s absurd.
This post was edited on 9/9/19 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 9/9/19 at 9:16 pm to baldona
Spent multiple days in Baton Rouge last summer dealing with the oyster lobby crying about their livelihood and how much they bring to the table here. Bunch of titts whining about history while ignoring how much rec fishermen spend on fuel, camps, lodging.
Caught and released ten trout this afternoon and all swam away but also were caught in the mouth not gills.
Caught and released ten trout this afternoon and all swam away but also were caught in the mouth not gills.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 6:57 am to MrLSU
The reason for the decrease in trout in southeastern La. is the environment. I hear things are going well in Grand Isle and in Terrebone. The Mardi Gras pass thing crippled fishing in Black Bay. The opening of the Spillway hurt the Breton Sound area. Redfish are everywhere, because they can tolerate lower salinity. Some of the BP money should have been dedicated to opening a trout hatchery. If the trout limit is lowered to 5, most people will stop fishing. Consider the economic consequences of that.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 7:04 am to GREENHEAD22
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What is the consensus on the catch and release mortality rates? I have heard it is high in trout 12" and smaller, like 40%?
On Rainbow's, Browns etc, where people have been doing it for years they have it down to around 5%. That includes live bait fisherman.
We have different tackle and climate but I would think if the fish were handled properly that we could get the average down between 10 and 20%. Maybe even less.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 7:06 am to djrunner
It's about 100% every time I'm catching small trout. The dolphins get every one despite my best effort
Posted on 9/10/19 at 7:08 am to bearhc
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Trout hatchery
Speckled trout are like rabbits they spawn several times a year and can produce hundreds of thousands of eggs each. It’s habitat that is causing the decline. One good spawn year with good habitat and this will reverse. Stocking trout isn’t the answer
Almost like quail, or even turkeys, stock all you want but if the habitat isn’t there, you are wasting time and money.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 7:09 am to Ron Cheramie
And can we stop using the word porpoise in Louisiana?
Posted on 9/10/19 at 7:11 am to Ron Cheramie
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And can we stop using the word porpoise in Louisiana?
Excuse my ignorance, but I'm going to assume it's not scientifically correct or something along those lines?
Posted on 9/10/19 at 7:13 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I fish around Grand Isle and rarely have that issue unless I am in that Barataria Basin. area. Even then it is not near 100%.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 7:19 am to BlackCoffeeKid
They are Atlantic bottlenose dolphins. A porpoise is a different animal and not common here
This post was edited on 9/10/19 at 7:20 am
Posted on 9/10/19 at 7:52 am to bearhc
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If the trout limit is lowered to 5, most people will stop fishing. Consider the economic consequences of that.
Do you guys honestly believe this? It’s 5 in every other state, so no one fishes for trout anywhere but Louisiana? I understand your fishery is different and better, but the entire idea you need an absurd amount of fish to keep in order to just fish is quite simply false.
You can still catch redfish. I fish routinely in Florida where I can only keep 5 trout and 1 redfish.
I’m not disagreeing with your justification to keep more, but lying to yourself about people not fishing anymore doesn’t help you. They will simply go closer to home or adjust their ways. Now it will certainly hurt the guides, but that’s a different story.
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