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re: ATF Proposed Rule Regarding Stabilizing Braces
Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:22 am to DownSouthJukin
Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:22 am to DownSouthJukin
So NO forward grips, not even a hand stop because it facilitates two handed firing... 
Every firearms trainer in the world, and every law enforcement agency including the ATF trains shooters to fire a handgun two handed as a primary means of operation. One-handed firing is now a secondary method. Arbitrary BS
Every firearms trainer in the world, and every law enforcement agency including the ATF trains shooters to fire a handgun two handed as a primary means of operation. One-handed firing is now a secondary method. Arbitrary BS
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 9:23 am
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:25 am to DownSouthJukin
These work sheets are utter bullshite!!!
Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:27 am to turkish
quote:
You’re being a touch dramatic.
Don't you think the government is the one being overly dramatic? They are banning weapons because of the way they look. There's no data backing up their claim of "dangerous."
Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:50 am to tommy2tone1999
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So NO forward grips
i like how they charge a point for having sights or no sights.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:00 am to DownSouthJukin
So if I'm reading part 3 correctly, my 22lr ruger charger with a prism scope automatically accrues 4 points and is considered illegal simply because it has a prism scope.
The squirrels in my pecan trees will be thrilled.
The squirrels in my pecan trees will be thrilled.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:01 am to finchmeister08
It's basically setup to catch as many AR pistols as possible. Wonder how long it will be before sub-64oz setups come out?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:14 am to DownSouthJukin
If this goes through, the simple solution is to remove the stabilizing brace (maybe change out the buffer tube for a smooth pistol tube for good measure), and remove any forward grips. If you use a sling and push the pistol forward to tighten the sling, then you can get surprising accuracy.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:17 am to tommy2tone1999
Such bullshite. I’m sure criminals I’ll carry this around to constantly monitor the legality of their firearm
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:23 pm to tommy2tone1999
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If this goes through, the simple solution is to remove the stabilizing brace
yeah, it's been fun, but i'll just replace the KAK tube with a smooth tube and put a foam pad on it and call it a day. unless that will be illegal as well.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 2:56 pm to DownSouthJukin
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13 These point values range from 0 to 4 points based upon the degree of the indicator, explained as follows:
•1 point: Minor Indicator (the weapon could be fired from the shoulder)
•2 points: Moderate Indicator (the weapon maybe designed and intended to be fired from the shoulder)
•3 points: Strong Indicator (the weapon is likely designed and intended to be fired from the shoulder)
•4 points: Decisive Indicator (the weapon is designed and intended to be fired from the shoulder)
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:01 pm to HeadSlash
2 points: Moderate Indicator (the weapon maybe designed and intended to be fired from the shoulder)
•3 points: Strong Indicator (the weapon is likely designed and intended to be fired from the shoulder)
This won’t leave any room for weapon used interpretation at all
•3 points: Strong Indicator (the weapon is likely designed and intended to be fired from the shoulder)
This won’t leave any room for weapon used interpretation at all
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:05 pm to tommy2tone1999
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If you use a sling and push the pistol forward to tighten the sling, then you can get surprising accuracy.
Thats how they used to teach shooting mp5's with no stocks.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:50 pm to kengel2
Just a random thought if I owned this type of AR.
So? If I switch to a SB3Mini and remove my sights,
Also rendering the QD socket inoperable.
I'm compliant?
So? If I switch to a SB3Mini and remove my sights,
Also rendering the QD socket inoperable.
I'm compliant?
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 6/8/21 at 7:50 pm to DownSouthJukin
You will never be able to make me understand how a 9mm rifle with a 10” barrel is more concealable/dangerous than a 9mm pistol.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 7:51 pm to cssamerican
Logic doesn’t work with this because none of this is logical.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:04 pm to HeadSlash
>_>
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:01 pm to HeadSlash
To suggest alternatives to pistols you already own is to be a narc in this thread, apparently. According to Scoob on page 1, you’ve wasted your money and will need to dispose of your pistol.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 5:39 am to tommy2tone1999
So your weapon must be at least 64oz, but not more than 120oz...when most pistols are far less than 64oz to begin with.
This is just nonsense that some needle necks pulled out of their asses based on zero logic.
This is just nonsense that some needle necks pulled out of their asses based on zero logic.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 1:52 pm to HeadSlash
Nope. Even if your score is less than 4, the ATF has a disclaimer in the "NOTE:" section at the top of the score sheet that basically says if they feel you're trying to circumvent the laws to make an SBR you is fooked
quote:
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives reserves the right to preclude classification as a pistol with a "stabilizing brace" for any firearms that achieves apparent qualifying score but is an attempt to make a "short-barreled rifle" and circumvent the GCA or NFA.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 1:56 pm to DownSouthJukin
The proposed rule has been published in the Federal Register. This means the comment period is now opened. PLEASE COMMENT. Heard someone say that if you can't be bothered to at least make a simple comment in defense of our 2A rights, you probably won't pick up a gun to do so either. 
Comment HERE
Comment HERE
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 1:57 pm
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