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tommy2tone1999
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St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2008
4567 posts

re: ATF Proposed Rule Regarding Stabilizing Braces
The proposed rule has been published in the Federal Register. This means the comment period is now opened. PLEASE COMMENT. Heard someone say that if you can't be bothered to at least make a simple comment in defense of our 2A rights, you probably won't pick up a gun to do so either.

Comment HERE
This post was edited on 6/10 at 1:57 pm


StaticSurfer
Member since Jun 2021
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re: ATF Proposed Rule Regarding Stabilizing Braces
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Even if your score is less than 4, the ATF has a disclaimer in the "NOTE:" section at the top of the score sheet that basically says if they feel you're trying to circumvent the laws to make an SBR you is fooked




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The Nino
Atlanta United Fan
Member since Jan 2010
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re: ATF Proposed Rule Regarding Stabilizing Braces
Are there any bullet points on what our comment should include? I know that sounds lazy but I'd hate to leave out an aspect that doesn't have a direct impact on me


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Pepperidge
LSU Fan
Slidell
Member since Apr 2011
3993 posts

re: ATF Proposed Rule Regarding Stabilizing Braces
Here is text that Everyone can use to submit comments...just replace your name and address where appropriate


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ATTN: Docket Number ATF 2020R-10

To: Office of Regulatory Affairs

From: Your full name (required)
Your full mailing address (required)

I am submitting comments in opposition to proposed regulations posted on December 18 and entitled “Objective Factors for Classifying Weapons with ‘Stabilizing Braces.’”

Millions of law-abiding American citizens took ATF at its word when the agency approved the installation of so-called “stabilizing braces” onto firearms receivers and promised that said firearms were handguns and not rifles.

Now, over eight years after your initial determination, you are soliciting comments on what the ATF is calling “objective design features” with an apparent goal of determining that many firearms with rifled bores that are shorter than 16 inches are short barreled rifles (SBRs).

The new, design based “features” are not objective, they are clearly subjective and look like they are designed and intended to bring your agency’s rule-making to a predetermined outcome.

These “features” do not appear anywhere in the US Code:

• Type and Caliber
• Weight and Length
• Length of Pull
• Attachment Method
• Stabilizing Brace Design Features

Not only do these terms NOT appear in the US Code, they are subject to varying interpretations. For example, a firearm that is considered heavy and long by a small statured person could just as easily be considered light and short by a larger framed person. Likewise for length of pull. In a free society, it is virtually impossible to regulate design features because smart people will continue to innovate and introduce newer, more effective products to the free market.

Furthermore, the inclusion of accessories in your evaluation process is equally absurd. ATF has the authority (within limits set by Congress) to regulate firearms and ammunition in interstate commerce. There is absolutely no statutory authority to regulate accessories such as:

• Secondary Grip
• Sights and Scopes
• Peripheral Accessories

It would be impossible to regulate what is literally thousands of different grips, sights, scopes and other peripheral accessories.

It is clearly obvious that ATF is attempting to write the law instead of enforcing the laws that Congress has enacted. This violates the Separation of Powers, not to mention the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

I urge you to reject this idea at once and immediately fall back to the position that ATF has taken since at least 2012, that the installation of a “stabilizing brace” on a firearm, does not change the firearm from a handgun into a rifle, irrespective of what other accessories might be used such as scopes or grips.

Thank you for your kind consideration.

Your Name
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tommy2tone1999
LSU Fan
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2008
4567 posts

re: ATF Proposed Rule Regarding Stabilizing Braces
Don’t just copy and paste this. Learn a little about this from other sources, reword it in you own words, and add any comments you have that you may have that come to mind. Youtube has a number of videos with different points of view.


Pat Sajak
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re: ATF Proposed Rule Regarding Stabilizing Braces
Yes, please make your comment unique. Do not use vulgar language.


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StonewallJack
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Member since Apr 2008
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re: ATF Proposed Rule Regarding Stabilizing Braces
They want your name and address. I am sure they will put this in their registry if you comment on it and be at your house first to kick your door in and arrest you.


Pat Sajak
USA Fan
New Orleans
Member since May 2009
637 posts

re: ATF Proposed Rule Regarding Stabilizing Braces
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They want your name and address. I am sure they will put this in their registry if you comment on it and be at your house first to kick your door in and arrest you.


That’s a nonsense reason to not make a comment and/or refuse to let your voice be heard during the notice and comment process of rule making.

You should be ashamed.


bulldog95
LSU Fan
North Louisiana
Member since Jan 2011
19090 posts

re: ATF Proposed Rule Regarding Stabilizing Braces



Get em while you can


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tommy2tone1999
LSU Fan
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2008
4567 posts

re: ATF Proposed Rule Regarding Stabilizing Braces
They will absolutely disregard boiler plate comments as easily as they will cursing


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StonewallJack
LSU Fan
Member since Apr 2008
268 posts

re: ATF Proposed Rule Regarding Stabilizing Braces
They will come for you!!!


tommy2tone1999
LSU Fan
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2008
4567 posts

re: ATF Proposed Rule Regarding Stabilizing Braces
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They will come for you!!!


If this rule goes through, and you bought an AR pistol with a stabilizing brace, they will come for you too. All they need to do is look at the customer lists of the sellers. Grow a pair and stand up for your rights now before this rule gets adopted.

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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Benjamin Franklin
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