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Are diesels worth it if you don't haul heavy loads frequently?
Posted on 8/15/19 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 8/15/19 at 9:30 pm
I'm have been looking at new trucks recently and i really like the 2017 or newer F250s. I have absolutely no need for a F250. The only thing i tow is a 22' bay boat, an ATV, and occasionally a compact 5th wheel. (25')
Posted on 8/15/19 at 9:34 pm to GeauxTime9
Not really. 2020 F-250 will have this as an option though:
7.3L pushrod gas V8
7.3L pushrod gas V8
Posted on 8/15/19 at 9:40 pm to GeauxTime9
I have one that I drive to the gym and hunting as a secondary vehicle.
To me it’s worth it because it’s what I want to drive. I think they are the best looking trucks on the road so I bought one.
To me it’s worth it because it’s what I want to drive. I think they are the best looking trucks on the road so I bought one.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 9:50 pm to GeauxTime9
If you have no need for a 3/4 ton truck look at the F150 Diesel. I have one and it gets 25 mpg (4x4, winch, grill guard, and a leveling kit). I was getting 17 on my Ecoboost, this diesel will run and pull a trailer like a 5.0.It's not in the EB class for pulling and running but the extra 7-8 mpg is saving me about $150 per month.
Before anyone says something about the "added" cost of owning a diesel my oil changes run $72 at the dealer.
Before anyone says something about the "added" cost of owning a diesel my oil changes run $72 at the dealer.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 9:56 pm to Barneyrb
Yeah, my deal is its purely based on looks. I love the look of the 2017+ F250s. I currently have a 2015 FX4 w/ the 3.5 ecoboost and have no complaints, just have the itch for something new. Luckily, i don't pay for my gas and i also have a truck allowance. I keep trying to tell myself i don't need one but man they are beautiful trucks.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 10:09 pm to GeauxTime9
I also have a car allowance that pays for my daily driver, insurance and gas so my expenses are just for the F-250 for hunting and fishing.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 10:17 pm to GeauxTime9
If you don’t need one then don’t buy one, and that’s coming from a guy who has one and no longer needs a diesel quite like I did when I originally bought this one. It’s paid for so in the next year or so I’d love to be able to park it and get a daily driver for to/from work and keep the miles off of it.
It cost more to fill it up, it cost more for an oil change, it’s harder to park and navigate around town, cost more up front, etc.
I like my truck but I’m at a point where a F150 would be more than enough.
It cost more to fill it up, it cost more for an oil change, it’s harder to park and navigate around town, cost more up front, etc.
I like my truck but I’m at a point where a F150 would be more than enough.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 11:27 pm to GeauxTime9
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Yeah, my deal is its purely based on looks. I love the look of the 2017+ F250s.
I wouldn't buy a diesel based on "looks"
Fords are expensive to maintain beyond the fixed monthly costs.
Duramax or Cummings will out preform them all day long and not be in the shop constantly costing you thousands of dollars per trip.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 4:20 am to Rize
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To me it’s worth it because it’s what I want to drive. I think they are the best looking trucks on the road so I bought one.
Can you describe the visual difference between a diesel and gas burner without raising the hood?
Is it the little sticker that turns you on?
Posted on 8/16/19 at 5:30 am to GeauxTime9
I have a diesel car but gas trucks. I'll provide this for thought. Consider the price of fuel and what it costs to operate per a mile. If you have a gas truck that gets 18mpg and the current gas price is $2.12 per gallon, that GAS truck is costing 12 cents per mile to operate, dividing price of gas by mpgs. If you have a diesel, and it's getting 22 mpg at the current cost of diesel, $2.59 a gallon, that DIESEL truck costs 12 cents per a mile to operate.
Now consider the price of DEF, increased fuel filter changes, maintenance, added system of a turbo charger, more expensive oil changes...diesel definitely costs more to operate.
I think it's only worth it if you are pulling heavy loads daily. My diesel car gets 45mpg but the fuel and maintenance costs more than a gas car of same size. Diesel fuel SHOULD be cheaper than gasoline but the government ruined that. It no longer pays to drive diesel daily solely based on mpgs
Now consider the price of DEF, increased fuel filter changes, maintenance, added system of a turbo charger, more expensive oil changes...diesel definitely costs more to operate.
I think it's only worth it if you are pulling heavy loads daily. My diesel car gets 45mpg but the fuel and maintenance costs more than a gas car of same size. Diesel fuel SHOULD be cheaper than gasoline but the government ruined that. It no longer pays to drive diesel daily solely based on mpgs
This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 5:36 am
Posted on 8/16/19 at 6:39 am to GeauxTime9
If I had the money I would buy one just for shits and giggles, why not.... Loads of power, they look good, and its what you want.
So, just go buy one. This is America. No need to be practical.
So, just go buy one. This is America. No need to be practical.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 6:45 am to GoAwayImBaitn
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If you have a diesel, and it's getting 22 mpg
I’ve had 4 f-250/f-350 4x4s and I’ve never gotten more than 17 mpg except when I dumped $20k into a 6.0 to keep it alive. After bulletproofing, exhaust, tuner, and new heads I was able to get 23 on the interstate at 65 mph.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 7:00 am to GeauxTime9
Clean diesel regs nerfed them. Flipped reliability from a pro to a con and added even more cost of acquisition/ownership. Couple that with the fact that gas engines continue to get better and diesel is certainly not the no-brainer it was for 3/4 tons just a decade or so ago.
So, I would say that if you are not hauling/towing at least 1/3 of the time, diesel is straight up wasted money. Frankly, I wouldn't buy one I didn't need to make a living, but that's just me.
You know that once you get one well optioned, with a diesel, those trucks start flirting with $80k stickers, right?
So, I would say that if you are not hauling/towing at least 1/3 of the time, diesel is straight up wasted money. Frankly, I wouldn't buy one I didn't need to make a living, but that's just me.
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I have absolutely no need for a F250. The only thing i tow is a 22' bay boat, an ATV, and occasionally a compact 5th wheel. (25')
You know that once you get one well optioned, with a diesel, those trucks start flirting with $80k stickers, right?
Posted on 8/16/19 at 7:01 am to GoAwayImBaitn
You are dismissing longevity and resale value in your comparison.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 7:07 am to Chad504boy
If you write the numbers down on up front cost, total cost of ownership, and resale you'll see that you lose your arse on a diesel.
Only reasons to buy one are because you want one or need one, and very few people need one. Monetarily, you cant make it make sense. A gas burner HD truck will be cheaper up front, cheaper to own, and retain adequate resale should you chose to get rid of it.
Only reasons to buy one are because you want one or need one, and very few people need one. Monetarily, you cant make it make sense. A gas burner HD truck will be cheaper up front, cheaper to own, and retain adequate resale should you chose to get rid of it.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 7:11 am to Chad504boy
The ones worth having are old school diesels without all the emissions controls crap.I'd take an old Cummins with a manual tranny. Newer ones can turn into a maintenance nightmare quick
Longevity and resale can be argued either way. Got my diesel car for under $1,500 lol
Longevity and resale can be argued either way. Got my diesel car for under $1,500 lol
Posted on 8/16/19 at 7:17 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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A gas burner HD truck will be cheaper up front, cheaper to own, and retain adequate resale should you chose to get rid of it.
Yeah, but they don’t make all that obnoxious noise and have that “Baw” status to them
Posted on 8/16/19 at 7:20 am to Tigerpaw123
I love when people try to justify needing one to haul their camper once a year 150 miles.
I dont understand why owning one because you want one is such a bad thing. It's like people who refuse to admit they bought a yeti at street price. If you can afford it go for it.
I dont understand why owning one because you want one is such a bad thing. It's like people who refuse to admit they bought a yeti at street price. If you can afford it go for it.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 7:22 am to cave canem
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Can you describe the visual difference between a diesel and gas burner without raising the hood?
Is it the little sticker that turns you on?
I’m a car guy/truck guy and I always like the most horsepower. I’m also a diesel power enthusiast that likes to delete and tune my trucks. Same thing with my wife’s sedan that is a 12.4 second grocery getter.
This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 7:22 am
Posted on 8/16/19 at 7:22 am to GeauxTime9
There’s a reason a lot of company fleets are going to more gas engines.
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