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re: Are diesels worth it if you don't haul heavy loads frequently?
Posted on 8/16/19 at 7:24 am to GoAwayImBaitn
Posted on 8/16/19 at 7:24 am to GoAwayImBaitn
Car is a way different discussion. All cars should be diesel . We have it backwards here.
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Posted on 8/16/19 at 7:30 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
No, they shouldn't be all diesel
Care to discuss?
Care to discuss?
Posted on 8/16/19 at 7:34 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I used to think that all cars should be diesel too
The fact is, gas engines have gotten more efficient. They are cheaper to maintain than a diesel engine, and get the same mpg with a cheaper fuel these days.
I guess if you're using your car for heavy towing, then yeah, maybe get the diesel car
The fact is, gas engines have gotten more efficient. They are cheaper to maintain than a diesel engine, and get the same mpg with a cheaper fuel these days.
I guess if you're using your car for heavy towing, then yeah, maybe get the diesel car
Posted on 8/16/19 at 7:41 am to GoAwayImBaitn
Yes. I had a diesel Volkswagen for a while that had after treatment. It averaged high 40 MPG over its lifetime and didnt suck to drive like most commuter cars. It was a great car and had about 150k miles on it with only oil changes and a battery. Car only costed $20k.
Now I'm driving a 4 banger camry. Nice car but it struggles to break 32 mpg.
Now I'm driving a 4 banger camry. Nice car but it struggles to break 32 mpg.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 7:46 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Now I'm driving a 4 banger camry.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 7:48 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I have a diesel VW too, it's an older one that gets good mpg because it doesn't have all the new emissions controls. It's a 5 speed manual and has a 1.9L ALH engine. Probably could use a tune up and has almost 300,000 miles. It gets around 45 mpg but it needs a new turbo and fuel injector nozzles. Maybe I could crack 50mpg with a tune up.
The wife drives a newer Elantra. It has a 2.0L gasser with an automatic. It's getting 42mpg without the extra burden of higher priced diesel fuel and the maintenance that comes with it. Her car is cheaper per the mile
If all small diesel cars were getting 65mpg (like that Honda Civic diesel over seas) and the price of diesel was cheaper than gas, I'd agree and say make all cars diesel
The wife drives a newer Elantra. It has a 2.0L gasser with an automatic. It's getting 42mpg without the extra burden of higher priced diesel fuel and the maintenance that comes with it. Her car is cheaper per the mile
If all small diesel cars were getting 65mpg (like that Honda Civic diesel over seas) and the price of diesel was cheaper than gas, I'd agree and say make all cars diesel
Posted on 8/16/19 at 7:53 am to GeauxTime9
If you don't haul things frequently OR have a company pay your vehicle expenses OR have an LLC to use as a tax write-off OR a combination of the above then modern diesels are a huge waste of money.
This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 7:55 am
Posted on 8/16/19 at 8:07 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I dont understand why owning one because you want one is such a bad thing.
When we dive into practical advice, we often gloss over or dismiss such concerns.
Take a different type of example - it is not practical to drive a Corvette or 911. However, this is still America and there are few things I hate more than Person A trying to spend Person B's money OR hate on Person B for how he's doing it for himself.
So, if you want to drop $65k to $80k for a truck, want a diesel and don't care that it doesn't make sense, financially? I'm all for it if you're doing it with your eyes open.
'Murica (for however much longer we can hold onto it)
This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 8:08 am
Posted on 8/16/19 at 8:17 am to Ace Midnight
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ake a different type of example - it is not practical to drive a Corvette or 911. However, this is still America and there are few things I hate more than Person A trying to spend Person B's money OR hate on Person B for how he's doing it for himself. So, if you want to drop $65k to $80k for a truck, want a diesel and don't care that it doesn't make sense, financially? I'm all for it if you're doing it with your eyes open. 'Murica (for however much longer we can hold onto it)
absolutely, but look at the title of this thread "are Diesels worth it?" and in very few situations are they "worth it" now if it is a want, for whatever reason, go ahead
Posted on 8/16/19 at 8:27 am to Tigerpaw123
For me it is. I pull a 5th wheel camper quite often going on trips or to the lake. A gasser could do it but the few hills would be a pain. The biggest benefit to me of a diesel is the diesel exhaust brake when slowing down for speed limit changes or to slow down going to an intersection.
If you're not towing, then do whatever you want and can afford.
If you're not towing, then do whatever you want and can afford.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 8:35 am to GeauxTime9
I'd take independent front suspension over the F250 solid axle with the "death wobble" any day of the week.
F250 Death Wobble
F250 Death Wobble
Posted on 8/16/19 at 8:38 am to jimbeam
Hey man frick you!
On the car thing, I could nurse the diesel to 52-54 mpg on the highway. I have to nurse the Camry to 35.
Since the new gassers are better than they were, let's say that across the board the number is diesels are 5 mpg better and diesel costs 50% more. At that number then it absolutely costs more per year to run the diesel.
Same rule applies to the trucks. My 3/4 ton gasser gets about 12 mpg over the year with about half of that dragging around my boat. A new diesel would be around 16 doing the same thing. Havent done the numbers but I doubt you come out ahead on fuel. Roll in the up front cost and maintenance and thr diesel is way behind. Throw in an injector failure and you're power fricked
On the car thing, I could nurse the diesel to 52-54 mpg on the highway. I have to nurse the Camry to 35.
Since the new gassers are better than they were, let's say that across the board the number is diesels are 5 mpg better and diesel costs 50% more. At that number then it absolutely costs more per year to run the diesel.
Same rule applies to the trucks. My 3/4 ton gasser gets about 12 mpg over the year with about half of that dragging around my boat. A new diesel would be around 16 doing the same thing. Havent done the numbers but I doubt you come out ahead on fuel. Roll in the up front cost and maintenance and thr diesel is way behind. Throw in an injector failure and you're power fricked
This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 8:40 am
Posted on 8/16/19 at 8:46 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Havent done the numbers but I doubt you come out ahead on fuel. Roll in the up front cost and maintenance and thr diesel is way behind.
I think this math is lost on most - the old wisdom of getting far more miles out of the diesel is long gone. I just don't think even the exceptional example is ever going to come out ahead with the new diesels being the way they are.
So, then, the question becomes, "Do you need the diesel to handle the load?"
Posted on 8/16/19 at 8:53 am to Rize
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I’m a car guy/truck guy and I always like the most horsepower. I’m also a diesel power enthusiast that likes to delete and tune my trucks. Same thing with my wife’s sedan that is a 12.4 second grocery getter.
you are avoiding my question.
The answer is there is zero visual difference.
I am not hating on diesels, I drive one and so does my wife, just curious how you could even begin to tell the difference by looks.
Mine is a F250 and it gets used as it should dragging whatever shite I load all over the place on goose necks, the wife's is a Passat and it gets over 50mpg.
You could not tell what engine is in either one from looking at them though.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 8:56 am to Shexter
quote:Shitty coil springs. Dodges, Jeeps, etc. do it, too.
"death wobble"
This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 8:57 am
Posted on 8/16/19 at 9:40 am to White Bear
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"death wobble"
I almost crapped my pants when it happened getting on the interstate in Dallas. Damn steering wheel jumping all over the place.
I agree that it seems to happen with almost all brands of solid front axle trucks.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 10:07 am to cave canem
I think a more interesting comparison far as operation costs go, would be diesel cars vs hybrid cars. I think diesel wins that one when you factor in the hybrid's battery. But then again, give me a 3 or 4 cylinder gasser over a hybrid any day
I think really the best mpg and cheapest option is compressed natural gas but that's a whole new topic
I think really the best mpg and cheapest option is compressed natural gas but that's a whole new topic
Posted on 8/16/19 at 10:19 am to Ace Midnight
Well, you will still get exceptional life out of a diesel. The problem is that the gassers have caught up enough so that the engine isnt the limiter on vehicle life in any application anymore. Both the gas and the diesel engine and drivetrain will outlive the rest of the vehicle.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 10:26 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I think diesel engines could really help smaller pickup trucks with towing and offer some decent mpg. Would be useful for the people who use a truck to daily commute and tow light stuff on weekends. Would love to see the US get the Toyota Hilux or Nissan Navara (diesel version Tacoma and Frontier). The Isuzu D-Max is also cool
A mid size pickup that could tow what a full size could and get 30 mpg would be pretty sweet.
A mid size pickup that could tow what a full size could and get 30 mpg would be pretty sweet.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 4:54 pm to cave canem
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you are avoiding my question.
The answer is there is zero visual difference.
I am not hating on diesels, I drive one and so does my wife, just curious how you could even begin to tell the difference by looks.
Mine is a F250 and it gets used as it should dragging whatever shite I load all over the place on goose necks, the wife's is a Passat and it gets over 50mpg.
You could not tell what engine is in either one from looking at them though.
There is zero difference on the outside unless your talking about the Duramax with that really cool black box under the passenger front door
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