re: AR 15 for beginner

I never said they were the best but I my personal opinion is that they are better than most standard ARs and are in the OPs price range. Once again, just my personal opinion

Got it

Not trying to poop on them but most ARs are on the same level and there is nothing wrong with that at all

Like I said, all mine are DPMS lowers, various uppers, barrels, BCG, etc. and they all work. My AR-10 and my 6.8 are stupid accurate. My .300 AAC SBR is so much fun to shoot and suppressed it's scary quiet.

I agree. What really separates these rifles besides the name on the side is what I was asking. All I got was spikes sucks with no real reason behind it.

Noveske barrels are tits & extremely accurate, make me look like a much better shooter than I am. Also Noveske has really high tolerances in quality control, they strive for perfection in their rifles. The "chainsaw" blems from Noveske are hardly blems, most of the time you can't find the flaw in the piece of work they have built. Polygonal rifling really sets them apart in the barrel accuracy. Solid
F-Cking rifle, I would trust my life with it & that's my 2¢

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Polygonal rifling really sets them apart in the barrel accuracy.

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Polygonal rifling doesn't set anyone apart in terms of accuracy. Polygonal rifling (as are polygonal bore barrel, and not the same thing) is more easily made in the hammer-forging process that is becoming more popular as a way to make lots of fairly accurate barrels, with chambers, with fewer finishing steps and less tooling wear. That means cheaper for companies that can afford the hammer-forging equipment to turn out finished barrels.

Some other advice for the OP...

Never, NEVER use the cheap arse coated aluminum case ammunition.

It never fails that every shift I work the rifle line at the range I have SEVERAL shooters each day with jams because the cases jam in the chambers.

I cringe when I see guys jamming ram rods down the barrel or popping the pins to separate the upper from the lower and then using a knife or flat head screwdriver to pry the BCG back to remove the jammed case.

Noveske saw them online cheapest one is $1800 way outside my price range. I don't think I would buy one online without putting my hands on one just like it somewhere.

A good friend in a MP in the Army and has tons of time using AR's in Iraq. He said He likes the Rock River guns, but I think they maybe a bit over my price range Which is under $800 or $900.

Is it ok to ask this board if someone has one they might want to part with? I don't want to break any rules.

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What really separates these rifles besides the name on the side is what I was asking. All I got was spikes sucks with no real reason behind it.

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hey now, i never said they sucked. i just said they weren't anything special. If you have M&P15 Sport II with a carbine-length gas system, pinned FSB, and 2-piece handguard for $650 and a Spikes with a carbine-length gastem, pinned FSB, and 2-piece handguard for $1000, you aren't getting anything extra by going with the Spikes. they all use the same shite, pretty much.

the brunt of the premium for ARs comes from nicer barrels and nicer handguards (especially keymod/mlok now), usually. some variants will have nicer triggers, charging handles, short-throw selector switches, cerakotes, and other small features which come into play. for example, my noveske gen ii lower has a huge magwell and a forged, integrated trigger guard, rather than one you install yourself. i paid a little extra for that.



For under a grand, you can get a RRA with a National Match 2-stage for like $850. chunk the shitty 2-piece plastic handguard and FSB and replace with a lo-pro gas block and Midwest/SLR/Hodge rail, and you have a killer rifle.

For the 1100-1500 range, Daniel Defense. No question. you can get something like the V11 Pro with a Keymod rail, Geissele SD3g trigger, and BCM charging handle for like $1600 online. Others (i like the new V7 MLOK) will run around $1400

For 1500-2200, Noveske, Larue, LMT, ADM, etc.

I wouldn't pay more than that for an AR. Guys who pay $3000 for a Warsport or something are basically valuing the assembly of the AR at $1000. You can buy all the Warsport parts and I'll put it together for you for $50. Noveske and co have a degree of name in their prices, for sure, but not as much. big benefit of the "boutique" ARs is resale value. they hold their value 1000x better than the ARs that everyone else has

Based on my experience and that of others, I have to disagree. I have broken in several rifles this way and at this point have several thousand rounds through a couple of them without cleaning (after initial cleaning) with none of the issues you mention. Now, I have only ever used slip 2000 ewl and ewg, as my first rifle was a BCM and they sent the rifle with the article I have linked. Maybe you are right if the wrong lube is used. You are definitely not right relative to what I posted.

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FILTHY 14

As of this writing, EAG students have 31,165 rounds downrange through Filthy 14. During this evaluation period, it was cleaned once (as in one time), at 26,245 rounds. The end result is that Rack #14 was—and remains—filthy. It is filthy because it has been shot at class. Only at class. Every round that has gone down that barrel has been fired at class, with an average of approximately 1,300 rounds every three days. It has been lubed generously with Slip 2000 Extreme Weapons Lube (EWL).

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WHY WE DID IT

What was the point of this 15-month exercise? We know than an AR built to the spec will run more reliably for a longer period of time than a hobby gun. We have run a number of guns to over 15,000 rounds without cleaning—or malfunctions—as long as they were kept well lubricated. And because we have over 20 Bravo Company guns in the armory, we also understand that the quality of one is not an accident.

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