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Ammo, politics, and stocking up
Posted on 10/17/16 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 10/17/16 at 9:57 pm
This is something I'm quietly thinking about, and making some moves on.
Here's the basic gist of it, without getting into any histrionics about it (I considered posting on the Political Talk board, but figured this would be the better forum to get good info):
We can buy ammo online, in bulk, for usually a fair amount less than we'll find in local shops (although I think this has led some places to keep their prices down).
We're approaching a presidential election where one candidate, the one that has led in almost every poll, has publically expressed an anti-gun message, and has used the phrase "internet loophole" several times. This candidate has a past history of unfavorable dealings with the firearms industry and market.
While it may be next to impossible for someone to directly affect "guns" head-on due to 2nd Amendment proponents, we've seen the past several years that ammo can be manipulated.
I'm sure we'll see a panic rush on ammo, but what would a wise amount to consider putting away?
What possible restrictions might likely be placed?
I guess internet sales might be clamped down on; I'm wondering if someone should consider a "normal" stash as always, or if they should consider a possible 4 year (length of term) supply instead.
Also wondering about the following- there are occasional press remarks about someone having "huge" amounts (which often might be just a single case bought in bulk; something we've learned to do with Sams and Amazon for other consumable goods). Might there be some move to limit total amounts owned, so that someone who's bought a lot might have to turn it over or risk legal consequences?
Once the market swings, is it likely to rebound in the next election pricewise, or if things get a lot more expensive, will they stay up (we're seeing that now in 22lr to an extent)?
Also, I know a lot of folks reload (I don't)- are there concerns about getting components in the upcoming future... is that possibly threatened too?
For the record, I have self-defense purposes, but I mostly like to shoot at the range. I'm not into prepping for the apocalypse. I'm kind of getting a feel on what to expect, whether I need to change how much I use currently, whether my hobby is seriously threatened etc.
Thanks for any reasoned responses.
Here's the basic gist of it, without getting into any histrionics about it (I considered posting on the Political Talk board, but figured this would be the better forum to get good info):
We can buy ammo online, in bulk, for usually a fair amount less than we'll find in local shops (although I think this has led some places to keep their prices down).
We're approaching a presidential election where one candidate, the one that has led in almost every poll, has publically expressed an anti-gun message, and has used the phrase "internet loophole" several times. This candidate has a past history of unfavorable dealings with the firearms industry and market.
While it may be next to impossible for someone to directly affect "guns" head-on due to 2nd Amendment proponents, we've seen the past several years that ammo can be manipulated.
I'm sure we'll see a panic rush on ammo, but what would a wise amount to consider putting away?
What possible restrictions might likely be placed?
I guess internet sales might be clamped down on; I'm wondering if someone should consider a "normal" stash as always, or if they should consider a possible 4 year (length of term) supply instead.
Also wondering about the following- there are occasional press remarks about someone having "huge" amounts (which often might be just a single case bought in bulk; something we've learned to do with Sams and Amazon for other consumable goods). Might there be some move to limit total amounts owned, so that someone who's bought a lot might have to turn it over or risk legal consequences?
Once the market swings, is it likely to rebound in the next election pricewise, or if things get a lot more expensive, will they stay up (we're seeing that now in 22lr to an extent)?
Also, I know a lot of folks reload (I don't)- are there concerns about getting components in the upcoming future... is that possibly threatened too?
For the record, I have self-defense purposes, but I mostly like to shoot at the range. I'm not into prepping for the apocalypse. I'm kind of getting a feel on what to expect, whether I need to change how much I use currently, whether my hobby is seriously threatened etc.
Thanks for any reasoned responses.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:03 pm to Scoob
buy cheap and stack deep while you can
Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:17 pm to Scoob
There are two reasons a person wants ammo imo
Normal use supply in case for some reason it becomes scarce
Or "shite hit the fan" supply for fending off attacks of zombies / foreign invaders / civil unrest situations.
I may only shoot 100 .223 rounds a year currently but worst case scenario I'll need that many in less than a day. No telling how many I could end up needing under such a scenario but no way I could afford it anyway. Not to mention losing mobility with all that ammo plus supplies.
Normal use supply in case for some reason it becomes scarce
Or "shite hit the fan" supply for fending off attacks of zombies / foreign invaders / civil unrest situations.
I may only shoot 100 .223 rounds a year currently but worst case scenario I'll need that many in less than a day. No telling how many I could end up needing under such a scenario but no way I could afford it anyway. Not to mention losing mobility with all that ammo plus supplies.
This post was edited on 10/17/16 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:19 pm to Scoob
Panic buying is dumb and what inflates the prices.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:22 pm to onelochevy
quote:working on it
buy cheap and stack deep
quote:that's the question; do we expect business as usual, some inconveniences, or a serious shift in the landscape coming up?
while you can
My thoughts are that we should expect at least some short-term shortages, and I'm covering that; but my fear is that things are about to seriously change, in a more or less permanent way.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:05 pm to Scoob
I'm honestly surprised prices haven't jumped a bunch with the election only a couple weeks away. Hoping the right candidate wins and I won't have to kick myself in the arse for not buying more when I had the chance
Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:54 am to Scoob
nothing will change... same shite different president.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:25 am to Scoob
AHHHHHHHHHH
It hasn't even started happening yet and I'm already pissed off
It hasn't even started happening yet and I'm already pissed off
Posted on 10/18/16 at 5:23 am to Scoob
The only thing I'm buying is 30 round magazines for ARs. I have two new powers in consecutive serial numbers for my two sons that will he put together in the next few months. I don't see an issue buying the balance of the components besides the high capacity magazines. I think the lowers and magazines are the concern should the election prove to be rigged and the bitch is elected.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 6:33 am to onelochevy
I have been buying and stacking for a bit now. Only because I got caught a few years ago not loaded up and shite was stupid high and impossible to get. No idea if it will happen this time but I'm not letting it happen again...it won't go bad and prices have been decient. I may grab a few more 30rnd mags too...because that seems like a easy low lying target for "hey look what I accomplished"
Posted on 10/18/16 at 6:37 am to Masterag
quote:
nothing will change... same shite different president.
You sure about that? Clinton has used some strong words to descried what she will do if elected.
To the OP if you aren't an NRA member I would say spend the $25 and join the NRA if you already aren't. Oh and VOTE (preferably against Clinton)!
Posted on 10/18/16 at 6:42 am to Scoob
You are gonna be part of the problem. You are panic buying.
I couldn't find mf'ing 22 ammo to hunt squirrels with a few years ago because of the same bullshite Freaking 22 ammo!!
The last time we had this panic buying did any laws actually get changed? No. Because the POTUS can not go around congress and enact a law. It's all false outrage and mouthbreathers take it and run with it
I couldn't find mf'ing 22 ammo to hunt squirrels with a few years ago because of the same bullshite Freaking 22 ammo!!
The last time we had this panic buying did any laws actually get changed? No. Because the POTUS can not go around congress and enact a law. It's all false outrage and mouthbreathers take it and run with it
Posted on 10/18/16 at 6:56 am to Ron Cheramie
Buy what you can while you can. The Witch has said, in no uncertain terms, what she wants to do, and you can bet she will try to do it within 3 months if she's elected.
She's going to claim a mandate, and I bet it is the first thing she tries to do.
If you haven't stocked up on things the last 8 years, you've been asleep and I don't feel sorry for you.
LC
She's going to claim a mandate, and I bet it is the first thing she tries to do.
If you haven't stocked up on things the last 8 years, you've been asleep and I don't feel sorry for you.
LC
Posted on 10/18/16 at 7:05 am to Scoob
Absolutely, this is speculation at its finest.
I plan on buying several cheap ARs and Aks before the election and selling them for double after the election, then buy them back for less than I originally paid after the hysteria dies down.
I plan on buying several cheap ARs and Aks before the election and selling them for double after the election, then buy them back for less than I originally paid after the hysteria dies down.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 7:39 am to Scoob
quote:
We're approaching a presidential election where one candidate, the one that has led in almost every poll, has publically expressed an anti-gun message, and has used the phrase "internet loophole" several times
The polls are horribly oversampled and are merely a diversion to the fact that she's losing. Despite the media blasting Trump at any and every available opportunity, he's still close in these "polls." Yet, if you look around, there is not fanatical support for Hillary like there is for Trump. The "change" candidate almost always beats the "status quo" candidate if there's enough support behind him. Plus the media oversold Obama's lead by a large margin when he beat Romney by not very much.
If the election ends up being rigged, I'll happily dine on some crow.
As for stocking up, my rule is pretty simple - I get a couple hundred hollow points for each cartridge (9, 40, 45, 5.56) every couple months. I now have about 500 hollow points for each with some variety for each. Gold dots, HSTs, PDX1s, Golden Sabers, Critical Defense, just to name a few.
Don't panic buy, but smartly pick up ammo where you can. But if you're that worried about a Hillary Clinton presidency, I would make an order really soon.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 7:46 am to LongueCarabine
quote:Couldn't be said any clearer.
If you haven't stocked up on things the last 8 years, you've been asleep and I don't feel sorry for you.
Better to be prepared and not need it than the other way around. I'm not a prepper, nor do I have tacticool weapons for self defense. I do however have a sufficient amount of supplies to ensure that I can get food for the next decade. And if a self defense situation arises, enough to defend my property and family sans a government assault.
It only makes sense to stock up considering the ever increasing cost of ammunition and the liberal desire to control our lives.
Stay woke.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 8:30 am to Scoob
quote:
Might there be some move to limit total amounts owned
What's the enforcement mechanism?
I would say that a 4-year supply looks to be arbitrary call. Either ammunition availability will remain roughly the same or the rights will be further eroded, likely never to return.
Not to be melancholy, but we are on a downslope away from liberty in this area - the left has done a good job of demonizing guns, ammunition and gun owners. Outside of the south and fewer and fewer Western enclaves, gun "rights" have been replaced largely be either a notion of prohibition or, at best, extreme privilege.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 8:46 am to Ace Midnight
quote:Drag the wife and kids of the first dude in the neighborhood that resists into the street and shoot them. I'd bet guns and ammo would magically appear on the curbside post-haste.
What's the enforcement mechanism?
Posted on 10/18/16 at 8:53 am to LongueCarabine
I have obtained ammo over the last few years. I have been doing so not because of fear of the government but in fear of the hoarders who don't know one thing about government
The hoarders couldn't pass a civics test
The hoarders couldn't pass a civics test
Posted on 10/18/16 at 8:58 am to bapple
quote:
Don't panic buy, but smartly pick up ammo where you can. But if you're that worried about a Hillary Clinton presidency, I would make an order really soon.
This is pretty solid advice. I got caught with my pants down after sandy hook happened. I was fresh out of college working at my first real job and I didn't have the money to buy ammo in bulk. Once things started cooling down, I made it a point to buy a couple boxes of 5.56 every time I went to academy or somewhere similar. I didn't pay the early post sandy hook prices on stuff like 22 and 9mm, I waited until I came across a good deal and bought a few boxes. In the time since then I have set myself up pretty goods for whatever happens.
I just have a bad feeling that if the dems win they are going to wage war on ammo manufacturers and try to gouge us into not buying as much.
With the social climate we live in today I don't put anything past the electorate that will be deciding the future for our country.
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