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re: Alarming stats on the declining number of hunters in the US
Posted on 5/24/18 at 6:43 pm to Cowboyfan89
Posted on 5/24/18 at 6:43 pm to Cowboyfan89
Yeah I’ve bought nothing but license and shells the last 2 years
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Posted on 5/24/18 at 7:43 pm to fishfighter
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And that suppose to be bad?
yes, really bad for the future of the sport. hunters generate most of the revenue that goes towards conservation.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 7:56 pm to weagle99
Doesn't surprise me. People spend far less time outdoors doing anything than they used to
Posted on 5/24/18 at 7:59 pm to weagle99
Some it is probably attributable to the rise in technology-based leisure activities and the drive for more extracurricular activities that consume all available free time for kids. I know that my nieces and nephews spend 100% of their free time on iPads, watching TV or playing a sport, rather than hunting or fishing like we did growing up.
The less of us there are, there less of us there will be to fight for us on the political battlefield in the future.
The less of us there are, there less of us there will be to fight for us on the political battlefield in the future.
This post was edited on 5/24/18 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:08 pm to celltech1981
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yes, really bad for the future of the sport. hunters generate most of the revenue that goes towards conservation.
At the state license level, sure, but I have a hard time believing there aren’t just fewer people spending more money overall. Hunting apparel, gear, and media is big business. The money is still coming in from somewhere.
The real discussion is are these numbers proof we’re moving towards the consolidation of those resources into membership lobby type organizations like Ducks Unlimited, QDMA, and the NRA, and is that good or bad for hunting. I don’t think the sport or conservation is in real danger, but I do think who makes the decisions may be shifting.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:37 pm to GREENHEAD22
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2 million acres that's is horribly mismanaged not to mention a quarter of that is marsh and waterways. After traveling and hunting public in many other states it is sad to see how far behind our public lands are. Last like everything else in this state.
I won't disagree with that. However, that's just as much an effect of the mass of uneducated hunters we have that do not support proper management, and don't push for such from LDWF, as it is from lack of management. When you have legislators trying to dictate how seasons are set because of their redneck constituency, you have a problem. We definitely need better management of our public lands and wildlife.
And I don't know who posted the bit about farmers and more acres, but you're only half right. They may be farming more acres per farmer, but overall, farm acreage is decreasing. The number of farmers is just dropping faster than the acreage is. Thank God we aren't seeing that kind of drop with public lands...yet.
This post was edited on 5/24/18 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:39 pm to kengel2
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Some states have cryptic regulations This times a million.
I’ll second that!. Within a mile of my house I could shoot a mule deer a week for years that would make folks back home in Georgia drool. I’m talking about deer of mythical proportions......but we have a lottery and to even enter the damned thing is a chore....getting drawn next to impossible.....and the people who do get drawn may or may not ever actually go. Forget about Elk tags.
There is also a lot of complacency in management authorities. I have a spread of goos decoys that I have close to $8k in......including Sandhills crane decoys. I have reached out to game wardens in New Mexico and the panhandle of Texas and southern Colorado and have offered to drag my trailer ANYWHERE in the area and take kids, first responders, soldiers, teachers....anyone who was interested....goose or crane hunting....and not even carry a gun. These people know the landowners. They know where the birds are......I have a release of liability drawn up and an umbrella insurance policy....and they act like I have lost my mind when I suggest that they reach out to land owners just to get a feel for the idea of my taking good people on what could be the hunt of a lifetime. They simply do not care.
Hunting takes a lot of time and money. I spend about 90 mornings a year scouting an area of about 350 square miles in order to hunt ducks 30 days a year. That’s nothing compared to what deer and elk hunters do in New Mexico.. not a lot of young folks have jobs that allow that kind of commitment.
I don’t have any answers but I don’t think the trend ends anytime soon.....
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:42 pm to Cowboyfan89
Oh I know, you are correct, LA hunters are equally to blame, I almost want to say we have the worst hunters as well but that is getting subjective.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:46 pm to GREENHEAD22
Mismanaged in what way? What do think we should be doing differently?
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:53 pm to germandawg
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not a lot of young folks have jobs that allow that kind of commitment.
Not only that, but if they didn't come up in families with hunters, they have no one to teach them. What's worse os the guys that should be teaching them, the older generation, don't want them in the woods.
I can't tell you how many times I've seen some old guys on a forum or on Facebook bitching about all the young guys in the woods that "aren't doing it right". Many of them don't want to see new hunters around. They want the woods all to themselves.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:54 pm to ecb
Timber and habitat management for one thing, limiting some of the higher quality bucks wmas to age/antler limits. Possibly more lottery and draw systems on some areas, especially for duck hunting. A reduction in deer tags in general. The population of the States heard has been declining over recent years and it is especially notable on some of the WMAs such as the yancey. A shorter rifle season as well especially since muzzle loader is no different since you can use 35Whelens and such.
This post was edited on 5/24/18 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:59 pm to GREENHEAD22
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A shorter rifle season
That makes too much sense. So what does LDWF do? They extend the rifle season on Thistlethwaite, one of the best quality buck WMAs in the entire state. All because the landowner supposedly wants more hogs and deer taken off the place to protect crops, or they were going to pull the lease from the state.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 9:14 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Might need a new box of ammo here or there
I ran nearly 2 cases of dove loads through a field grade Citori last year. Sent it to Utah because it quit firing the bottom barrel and browning called me and told me they’d never seen a citori action worn out LOL.
I went through nearly a case of 3 inch black cloud #2 and almost 3/4 of case of 3” BB goose / crane loads. Finallly 4 boxes of #6 quail loads. Even at this level of shot gunning we are talking less than $1k.
My biggest expense is traveling and scouting. I don’t do leases because goose hunting is to hit or miss....if you ain’t in the field they want in you just laying in a field. I duck and quail hunt on public land exclusively. I like gadgets but they ain’t necessary. I think it’s just the time needed to be successful......no one has time anymore.....
Posted on 5/24/18 at 11:38 pm to Cowboyfan89
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more patience to hunt public.
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Our grandfathers didn't have all these fancy gadgets and gizmos to hunt, and still killed plenty of game
My dad or your grandfather either/or went in public land with a longbow, 2 blade broad head and worked their arse off to get where a deer was. They generally did it in piece. If they did encounter another hunter it was a fellow skilled and knowledgeable. Now, you’re more than likely to encounter a soy boy hiking or some bars with sleeves cut off their shirt having an explore day to post on Instagram. Public land hunting sucks because of the public
Posted on 5/24/18 at 11:45 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Public land hunting sucks because of the public
Depends on where you are
I think the lack of access to public land back east is definitely part of the decline. It's becoming a "country club" sport in some places because of the price you have to pay for access to good land and limited hunters
Posted on 5/25/18 at 5:12 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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My dad or your grandfather either/or went in public land with a longbow, 2 blade broad head and worked their arse off to get where a deer was. They generally did it in piece. If they did encounter another hunter it was a fellow skilled and knowledgeable. Now, you’re more than likely to encounter a soy boy hiking or some bars with sleeves cut off their shirt having an explore day to post on Instagram. Public land hunting sucks because of the public
Funny thing about public land...anyone can use it.
Sure, a little courtesy would be nice, but not one use usurps another.
Well, unless it's an either-sex modern firearm deer hunt, then no one else is allowed on the place. But, I think that is more out of safety than anything else.
I've never encountered the soy boy though. Plenty of idiots that claim to know what they are doing with zero respect for anyone else.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 5:14 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I think the lack of access to public land back east is definitely part of the decline. It's becoming a "country club" sport in some places because of the price you have to pay for access to good land and limited hunters
If the people that oppose federal ownership of land ever win, and it goes to the states, hunting will become a rich man's sport. Public land is the only thing that guarantees every person an opportunity to hunt. We'll have nothing but "country clubs" if we lose that.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 5:57 am to weagle99
Unwed birthrate
Posted on 5/25/18 at 7:24 am to weagle99
but the duck dynasty invasion.......
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:33 am to weagle99
In the northern half of Missouri the farmers keep taking down more forest. Elk and mountain lions are drifting here though. Some speculate that it is actually windier here than it used to be because of the farmers deforesting but who knows 
. Hard to say when the deforesting trend will halt.
. Hard to say when the deforesting trend will halt.
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