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Posted on 12/10/24 at 8:08 pm to Red Stick Rambler
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Had my first personal experience with a Cripplemore this year, let's say the deer was 10 ringed and there wasn't even blood in his bed. Just curious - what bullet were you shooting?
Curious to how far did he run from impact to bed?
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:01 am to swamptiger99
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6.5cm and lose a blood trail are far too many. It's a fast round and has a purpose.
It’s not fast.
I hate it, but it’s not a bad round. Pick the correct ammunition and it will work absolutely fine.
All that said, I vote 7mm08
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:17 am to sonoma8
3 words and 3 numbers that need to be remembered with either caliber:
accubond
partition
corelokt
140
accubond
partition
corelokt
140
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:43 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Lots of crippled deer because lots of people can't shoot or use trash bullets.
Yep. A little practice and a good hunting bullet will do wonders.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:49 am to bayoudude
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The 6.5 gets hate because idiots use match ammo instead of hunting ammo.
Can confirm. Every single deer I've had to track with my dogs which was shot with 6.5cm and was not recovered was shot using match ammo. Literally not a single exception.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:15 am to sonoma8
I'm a .260 rem fan. I went down this rabbit hole many years ago with my son and wife. The 7mm-08 and .260 rem are pretty much dead nuts when you compare them. I've used the .260 for 15 years and killed a bunch of deer with it. the .260 is used a lot by long range target shooters much like the 6.5CM. I'm not sure if the 7mm-08 is used as often for long range shooting.
I would look at ammo availability and also if you hunt in a club are there others that use that same caliber. You never know when you may need a couple rounds and don't want to drive back to town.
I would look at ammo availability and also if you hunt in a club are there others that use that same caliber. You never know when you may need a couple rounds and don't want to drive back to town.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:16 pm to sonoma8
I have a Tikka 7-08 and love the rifle, its a tack driver to 300 yds shooting a 140 Grain Barnes. Deer dont go far with a good shot I dont have any experience with the 6.5 but the 7-08 is an excellent rifle
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:37 pm to Farmtiger
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I would look at ammo availability
It's a crying shame that this needs to be a factor, but that's where we are
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:40 pm to sonoma8
I love my 7mm-08. That sucker has put many deer down for me
Posted on 12/11/24 at 1:28 pm to sonoma8
I have a Winchester XPR 6.5 Creedmoor with the thumbhole. It is such a fun gun to shoot. Not loud, minimal recoil. I just got a suppressor this year and shot two deer 2 weeks ago. Tack driver.
They will all kill deer. If you know people with a variety of guns, go shoot and make a decision that way.
They will all kill deer. If you know people with a variety of guns, go shoot and make a decision that way.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 2:09 pm to Red Stick Rambler
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It's a crying shame that this needs to be a factor, but that's where we are
I was more talking about running out or forgetting them at the house. Not really talking about shortages but, yes that is something to consider.
That was the final decision maker for me because we had someone in camp that shot a .260. I don't regret buying it. I've shot deer over 300 yards with it. I flipped a doe at 315, that was one of the coolest things that I've ever seen in person.
With that said, If I were to buy another rifle it would be a suppressed 6.5CM or 6.5PRC
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 12/11/24 at 2:22 pm to Farmtiger
Ammo is not that bad though. When you find some, buy 5 boxes. That's a lot of ammo for a hunting rifle.
If you need any 308, 6.5CM, .243 or 7mm-08, Songy's in Houma has a lot on sale.
If you need any 308, 6.5CM, .243 or 7mm-08, Songy's in Houma has a lot on sale.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 2:51 pm to Farmtiger
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I would look at ammo availability and also if you hunt in a club are there others that use that same caliber. You never know when you may need a couple rounds and don't want to drive back to town.
As long as your buddies aren't using match ammo in their 6.5 CM
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 12/11/24 at 3:39 pm to Stitches
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Can confirm. Every single deer I've had to track with my dogs which was shot with 6.5cm and was not recovered was shot using match ammo. Literally not a single exception.
This is not directed at you. I promise. It’s directed at the match bullet hate. I don’t get it. I do get that the terminal performance is not everyone’s cup of tea.
The deer straight up sometimes do not bleed a drop, but they kill like lightning. Where can you hit a deer with a match bullet and it will be crippled but it would’ve died with an accubond?
My only “match bullet” I have experience with is a 130 tmk and 143 eldx from a 6.5 creed, a 108 eldm from a 6 arc, and a 178 eldx from a 308. Those bullets turn the chest cavity to organ smoothie.
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 12/11/24 at 4:04 pm to bigbuckdj
Deer can still run a long way with liquid lungs. Exit wounds are what bleed. If they aren’t bleeding via an exit wound, that can be the difference in a recovery. Someone already said it in this thread, when you’re watching a deer through a spotting scope go 100 yards on an mountain and crash, no biggie. When you shoot them on the edge of three year old cutover in MS, every drop of blood counts. The creedmoor with an eldm will kill them just fine, but the buzzards might have to find them.
I’m not necessarily saying the accubond is gonna exit every time and the eldm never will, the rokslide guys would say there’s no way to reliably predict exit and their right, just explaining the distinction.
I’m not necessarily saying the accubond is gonna exit every time and the eldm never will, the rokslide guys would say there’s no way to reliably predict exit and their right, just explaining the distinction.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 4:07 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Lots of crippled deer because lots of people can't shoot or use trash bullets.
Has literally nothing to do with the caliber.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 4:16 pm to bigbuckdj
You're shooting modern match bullets. I think those were low-key designed to work the way hey do and just called match bullets so the military could use them
Match bullets have a reputation for failing to open up at all or coming apart early becasue for a long time they did. Matchkings, Amax, berger VLD etc. All earned that reputation.
TMK and ELDM are rapidly gaining reputation as excellent hunting bullets. Not my cup of tea, but lots of people like them.
Match bullets have a reputation for failing to open up at all or coming apart early becasue for a long time they did. Matchkings, Amax, berger VLD etc. All earned that reputation.
TMK and ELDM are rapidly gaining reputation as excellent hunting bullets. Not my cup of tea, but lots of people like them.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 4:37 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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TMK and ELDM are rapidly gaining reputation as excellent hunting bullets.
Eh, I’d say that’s still a pretty niche following using them for very specific applications where accuracy is the highest priority and there’s not much risk you’re gonna lose sight of the animal once it’s hit.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:38 pm to bigbuckdj
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The deer straight up sometimes do not bleed a drop, but they kill like lightning. Where can you hit a deer with a match bullet and it will be crippled but it would’ve died with an accubond?
I hunt all my deer w/ long barreled handguns. Since my barrels are shorter than are rifle barrels, my muzzle velocity is usually 200 fps or so less than that of a rifle. Lots of deer go down quickly w/ any shot in the lungs, even w/ match bullets. That doesn't usually happen w/ my handguns. Consequently, I demand an exit hole and a reasonable blood trail. That's why I never use match bullets. Even if I was using a rifle, I wouldn't use match bullets. High velocity combined w/ a rapidly expanding bullet placed in the lungs of a deer usually results in devastating kills. OTOH, every now and then the high velocity bullet will let one down and the hunter will have to follow a blood trail. When this happens, a match bullet that "liquifies the lungs" but doesn't exit will disappoint the hunter.
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