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re: 6.5 Creed Is Not a Super Cartridge

Posted on 1/17/21 at 8:23 pm to
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
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Posted on 1/17/21 at 8:23 pm to
There are none. There are some shitty bullet choices, but its basically a perfect deer caliber. Belongs in the same group as 7mm-08 and .308
Posted by LSUlefty
Youngsville, LA
Member since Dec 2007
28301 posts
Posted on 1/17/21 at 8:28 pm to
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There is no reason to choose a 308 over a 3006 or 270.

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Get to explaining


There's probably more ammo availability than 30-06 and .270 combined and it costs less

Lower recoil

AR-10 platform

NATO Round and will be around forever.

Now, if you are out west and are hunting Elk then yes 30-06 all day.



This post was edited on 1/17/21 at 8:29 pm
Posted by Lucky_Stryke
central Bama
Member since Sep 2018
3060 posts
Posted on 1/17/21 at 8:34 pm to
I get why it has caught a lot of hate. That is pure effective marketing on Hornadys part. Also you have to attribute the PRS scene taking off and everyone gettingon board with it as well, but in turn that seemed to have jaded a small vocal portion of the market. I think they are tired of hearing a seeing creedmoor shite everywhere. A lot of it is just newbies buying first hunting/Long range rifle and thats just kinda what they have heard of and know of.

Another big point of contention is the whole energy downrange. It is often compared to the 2 of some of the most beloved cartridges, the 270 and 308 (more so the 308 due to short action). Regardless, all 3 will kill the shite out of deer. When you start talking about larger game. it becomes highly contested as well.

However, that doesnt take away from its merits. Its a low recoil short action that shoot very high BC bullets. The bullet selection is awesome for both hunting and match. There are plenty of cartridges that outperform it sure, but its here to stay and that pisses people off who thought of it as a fad cartridge. I have killed 2 deer with my tikka super light 6.5 creedmoor and its a damn fine rifle. Its super light with still low recoil and a pleasure to carry in the woods. Neither deer ran more that 40 yards and blood trail wasnt needed but was super easy to follow. Its really hard to beat for whitetail.

I just got into the 6.5 prc and 28 noslers just because I reload and wanted to play around with them, hell of a time though lol
This post was edited on 1/17/21 at 8:41 pm
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20582 posts
Posted on 1/17/21 at 8:38 pm to
I was more speaking to ballistics but I will give you the AR platform and NATO. However the 3006 and 270 will also be around forever and pricing is the same or within a $1 a box. The recoil difference is negligible and offset by the greater versatility and better ballistics of the other two.

I wouldn't have ever thought it would have better availability than the 3006 but with this Covid BS I have seen 308 more than 3006.
This post was edited on 1/17/21 at 8:39 pm
Posted by 308
the backwoods of Mississippi
Member since Sep 2020
3109 posts
Posted on 1/17/21 at 9:29 pm to
Last time I checked, Midway had 161* factory loadings for .308 listed, which was easily #1.

There were 112* '06 loadings, which was #2.

No other cartridges were close.

*Nearly every loading is currently out of stock, of course.

Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
18155 posts
Posted on 1/17/21 at 9:48 pm to
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I think they are tired of hearing a seeing creedmoor shite everywhere.


Put me in this camp. My biggest gripe is that from now until it stops selling like it does, every production rifle is going to have a 6.5CM option. With companies limited to how many chamberings they can offer, that’s gonna knock something I’d be more interested in off the list. On the same vein, its easier to find 6.5CM ammo right now, because it’s being prioritized over traditional hunting calibers. It’s innovative for what it is, but it doesn’t offer me anything and is competing with things that do, so I’m tired of hearing about how great it is.
Posted by drakeT1217
Member since Jun 2010
772 posts
Posted on 1/17/21 at 10:10 pm to
Are y’all just looking for something to bitch about ? 99% of you ppl carrying on about 6.5’s are weekend warriors or ppl who just go “shoot at the range”. Who cares what any of you think about ballistics. Let ppl shoot whatever the hell they wanna shoot. I have a 6.5. I have probably killed 15 whitetail, 4 mule deer and a big sheep at 405. 2 of the whitetail I had to track for 100+ yards. Glad to know I still know how to track deer. Maybe you people should just not take shitty shots. Or maybe just be better hunters in general? I lost a white tail in mer rouge several years ago I shot through the bread basket with a .300. shite happens. Chill out folks. If you wanna shoot a 6.5 get after it !
Posted by Jcrew
Gulf coast
Member since Aug 2012
991 posts
Posted on 1/17/21 at 10:10 pm to
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People can hate all they want on the 6.5. I own one and love it. I'm older and wanted something fun with less recoil



I dont think anyone is hating on it. But fact is, you could've gone with a 7mm-08 and had just as good a caliber, if not better for deer hunting.



Fact is.... I have owned a 7mm-08 for a handful of years. Excellent round and very deadly. Gave it to my son. Bought the 6.5 because its a caliber I did not own. It kills deer for me just fine.
Posted by drakeT1217
Member since Jun 2010
772 posts
Posted on 1/17/21 at 10:17 pm to
My wife has killed a bunch of deer with a 7mm-08 and my 6.5. Why can’t you ?
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
18155 posts
Posted on 1/17/21 at 10:19 pm to
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2 of the whitetail I had to track for 100+ yards. Glad to know I still know how to track deer. Maybe you people should just not take shitty shots. Or maybe just be better hunters in general?


Do what now?
Posted by drakeT1217
Member since Jun 2010
772 posts
Posted on 1/17/21 at 10:22 pm to
Pretty clear. Not all white tail fall dead in their tracks. It’s ok to actually have to work to find one
Posted by Jcrew
Gulf coast
Member since Aug 2012
991 posts
Posted on 1/17/21 at 10:22 pm to
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My wife has killed a bunch of deer with a 7mm-08 and my 6.5. Why can’t you ?


I have. With both calibers. I am a fan of both.
Posted by drakeT1217
Member since Jun 2010
772 posts
Posted on 1/17/21 at 10:31 pm to
I am too. Good friend of mines 7yr old killed a 220+lb tensas buck with a 7mm-08 last week. How did he do that with a crappy caliber and these grown arse men aren’t doing it ??
Posted by Jcrew
Gulf coast
Member since Aug 2012
991 posts
Posted on 1/17/21 at 10:36 pm to
He must have gotten lucky! Haha

I've seen both rounds do the B&B (butt and bottom lip hit the ground at the same time)
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
26532 posts
Posted on 1/18/21 at 5:14 am to
6.5 is renowned because of its extremely high ballistic co-efficiant. It cuts through wind like crazy, this staying very accurate.

The 25-06 in the right setup actually has a better BC, fps, energy, etc, but it's so rare to find a high twist rate barrel for that caliber that it's almost a novelty. You have to have a 1:7 twist with 131 grain bullets. That combo is an extreme rarity and probably a custom build only b/c the 25-06 is mass procduced in generally only 1:10 twist. Thats just too slow if you want extreme accuracy like a 6.5 can give you.

Many other calibers could have simar BC to a 6.5, but those traditional Hu ti G caliber rifles are all in very long, slow twist barrels, which make it almost impossible to outshoot from a long range accuracy standpoint.

Thats why the bullet got so popular. Well, that and exttemly good marketing.

This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 5:16 am
Posted by GhostofLesticleMiles
High Plains Drifter
Member since Sep 2019
1084 posts
Posted on 1/18/21 at 5:55 am to
And now let's talk about the 6mm ARC!

Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15016 posts
Posted on 1/18/21 at 6:39 am to
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And now let's talk about the 6mm ARC!


what about it?

Have you shoot a few rounds?
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
15748 posts
Posted on 1/18/21 at 6:46 am to
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The .17HMR and it’s not even close. This cartridge took small calibers to a whole new level of appreciation and everybody had to have one. Prior to 2003, .17 calibers were pretty much non-existent to the general shooting public. .17 caliber rifles and cartridges have been around since the late 60’s and were only used by “wildcatters” & varmint hunters that hand loaded (see pic below). During it’s peak sales, the .17HMR was chambered by every rifle manufacturer. This cartridge is crazy accurate, fun for kids to shoot, and can be used to hunt squirrel, crows, turkey, and pigs.



I love the round for target shooting or busting the occasional varmint around the house but I don't understand it's takeoff, it isn't nearly as practical for hunting as the .22 WMR.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
15748 posts
Posted on 1/18/21 at 6:47 am to
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Except deliver exceptional accuracy with almost all factory ammo. It’s a mild recoiling round that’ll quickly kill deer out to any hunting distance. Take a break on the 6.5 cm bs



Posted by GhostofLesticleMiles
High Plains Drifter
Member since Sep 2019
1084 posts
Posted on 1/18/21 at 7:33 am to
I have not, but would like to. I already have a 6.5 Grendel on the AR15 platform and would consider selling it to build a lefty 6mm ARC. Most of what I have read sounds good, but would like to take it for a test drive first. I don't see it as "super cartridge" but tailored for a specific need. It was developed by Hornady for a Defense Contract. Ammo availability is scant and tough to come by as well.

6mm ARC vs. 6.5 Grendel
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