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re: 3 La hunters missing

Posted on 1/29/18 at 5:44 pm to
Posted by Capt ST
High Plains
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 1/29/18 at 5:44 pm to
We mounted a 15kw generator on a pontoon boat for our houseboat. I can speak from experience, once a pontoon is submerged the stability of vessel is shite. I have to assume once they stepped in the vessel began to dip on their end then rolled and they instinctively grabbed cargo netting.

Even if they hunted the blind Sat I doubt the full extent of the rise would have been realized by end of hunt. There’s definately some lessons to be learned from this tragedy. Spuds would have allowed blind to move up with the rise and kept it from rolling
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/29/18 at 5:45 pm to
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People make mistakes in judgement. No offense to you, but its easy to sit here and think how impossible this scenario was, but it obviously wasn't at all.


We would be talking about a 4 ft difference of 2 points of the boat...one staying tied at 3' and I guess the other side/end rising 4' higher!

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Have no knowledge of the actual situation.




That's why I also am puzzled. It's not a disrespect thing to anyone. I cannot imagine niticing....the guide or whoever s blind it was HAS to notice the water level. It's humanly impossible not to notice being you drive there in a boat as well
Posted by 1foreverlsu1
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2013
16 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:00 pm to
Darrin is my cousin. His mother did not die this morning. It was actually a family friend that was visiting with the hembas. The girl that died in the accident is their daughter in law. Their son was the survivor in the accident and the dad of the boy that also died.
Posted by feedthepig20
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:03 pm to
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We would be talking about a 4 ft difference of 2 points of the boat...one staying tied at 3' and I guess the other side/end rising 4' higher!


Not necessarily, what if there was extra slack in the line when tied at the normal water level?

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It's humanly impossible not to notice being you drive there in a boat as well


And how do you know they didn't notice the rise in the water? They may have did but it didn't register in their mind the danger.



This post was edited on 1/29/18 at 6:05 pm
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:21 pm to
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Not necessarily, what if there was extra slack in the line when tied at the normal water level?


It was stated earlier by the friend it was tied under the water line. How do you do that with slack? I agree with you there had to be some sort of slack, or damn well should have been!
It's all just adding to my confusion of the setup.

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And how do you know they didn't notice the rise in the water? They may have did but it didn't register in their mind the danger.



Man, I'm gonna be respectful and all..but we are talking a 4, FOUR, ft rise in the water. You damn well better have your danger radar up when that's the case and you are boating before sunrise!
Hell yes that floating vessel should have been scouted before unloading into it.

God bless those families. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure anger will set in at some point, it's oart if grieving. And there will be tough questions asked by many.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:26 pm to
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3 La hunters missing quote: As I just posted on the OT thread, during Navy air crew survival training you know you are going to be flipped upside down and disoriented in a pool of almost warm water, but even knowing what to expect, and watching others do it, there are still some that cannot get out and would drown if not for the safety divers helping them. Not to mention it's in daylight, right?


Black mask exercises are the stuff of nightmares
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23310 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:37 pm to
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Man, I'm gonna be respectful and all..but we are talking a 4, FOUR, ft rise in the water


Don't get me wrong I hear you, but I fish and hunt some rivers that may have a 15+ maybe up to 25 ft between super low and a small flood stage of river levels. 4 ft had to have been a lot given the rope length, but it's also possible they had plenty of rope and it got hung up or something.

But there's some ramps and places the water level differences are very apparent and some they really are not at all.
Posted by feedthepig20
Member since Dec 2007
1344 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:53 pm to
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It was stated earlier by the friend it was tied under the water line. How do you do that with slack?


What I meant was that there may have been slack before the water rose but the rope became tight after the rise.

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Man, I'm gonna be respectful and all..but we are talking a 4, FOUR, ft rise in the water. You damn well better have your danger radar up when that's the case and you are boating before sunrise! Hell yes that floating vessel should have been scouted before unloading into it.


Yes but very easy to say now. Not sure why this situation is blowing your mind

This post was edited on 1/29/18 at 7:05 pm
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
34869 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 7:34 pm to
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Darrin’s mom also passed away this morning from an apparent heart attack.



I thought she died years ago.
This post was edited on 1/29/18 at 7:56 pm
Posted by 1foreverlsu1
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2013
16 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 7:59 pm to
That was his step mother that died from an infection. His mother did not die this morning.
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 9:14 pm to
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Not sure why this situation is blowing your mind


Because there are multiple deaths in a situation where every red flag available should have been waving in the experienced hunters minds.
Dsrkness..young kid, woman, cold, high water, dual boat situation. Etc etc etc

There is ZERO chance that the boat driver didn't know of the higher water and all the dangers that persist in that situation. That place has had high water many times, probably several times this season...so yes, my mind is blown...accidents happen., I get it.....but the signs of raised danger were present
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Member since Aug 2003
48092 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 9:25 pm to
LINK

Link to the WAFB story on the victims.

They used one of our pictures from Wodapalooza in the story where we just competed 2 weeks ago.

Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
49608 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 9:30 pm to
I have watched them build those houses for the last year and everyday I passed they were out working on something.

That is tragic and I’m sorry for all of you guys friends.
Posted by jorconalx
alexandria
Member since Aug 2011
10531 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 10:05 pm to
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LSUSaint


You’ve made your point. You can kindly stfu up now
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
49608 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 10:41 pm to
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You’ve made your point. You can kindly stfu up now



He was a douchebag in th OT thread about this. fricking insufferable.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33675 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:53 am to
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Because there are multiple deaths in a situation where every red flag available should have been waving in the experienced hunters minds. Dsrkness..young kid, woman, cold, high water, dual boat situation. Etc etc etc There is ZERO chance that the boat driver didn't know of the higher water and all the dangers that persist in that situation. That place has had high water many times, probably several times this season...so yes, my mind is blown...accidents happen., I get it.....but the signs of raised danger were present


As someone who has shuttled more people to blinds over the years than probably anybody else in this board........a couple of points


The blind was very likely tied up properly for the fluctuations in water levels there - everything I have been told about those involved is they were squared away all out folks - what probably became the fly in the ointment was a log or other debris wedging on one of the anchor lines - thus dramatically changing the hydro dynamics of the pontoon boat base.

Which when one or two people stepped on probably was not. Big deal - BUT with unbeknownst compromised sea worthiness of the blind once the tipping point was reach - was likely the biggest surprise any of them got in their lives.


Anyone that has shuttled people to blinds in the inky black darkness takes it very seriously - even my teenage son and his friends. I beat it into his head many times to make a loop around a blind to ensure all is well - I'd bet 3 inches of pecker tha t as they approached all looked well on the surface - the trouble was likely below he surface....

Our dock in tensas floated loose from its mooring three steps felt good on 4th. It flfelt weird. Dog was in front of me - dog slid down as i backed off.....all appeared good...it wasn't.



Quit throwing these folks under the bus dude - I talked a great deal today with someone that has made many trips with them - he is still dumbfounded as to what could gave happened....


Cold dark water plays for keeps........sometimes you can do everything right and it still goes wrong...


This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 12:56 am
Posted by pdubya76
Sw Ms
Member since Mar 2012
6465 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:05 am to
Martini....I thought that you said you had a place over that way. I stopped to see Joe on my way home about 2 months ago . He was out working on the driveway and the his little boy was right there with him. It’s so sad what he must be going through.
Posted by tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
6943 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 6:19 am to
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the LSUSaint



Dude go sit in time out for a little while. Quit trying to put blame on someone. These weren't some assholes who died in a shootout. These were regular people going out to enjoy a day with family. Everyone with some sense in this thread has explained how easily this could happen, given the circumstances. Quit trying to put blame on someone. Take your self-righteous bullshite to the damn poliboard.
Posted by R11
Member since Aug 2017
5044 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:25 am to
You're a fool if you get back in the thing .

I've duck hunted for 20 plus years.
Had couple close calls with death.

Two things I've learned/established.
A) I'll never hunt out of a boat again
B) I'll never wear waders anywhere water is over my head
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
49608 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 7:28 am to
I would see them outside working all the time. I’m guessing his was the white house? They have done a ton of work out there in a short period of time and it’s been fun to watch. The piece next door has a recent sold sign so I thought maybe another family member bought that one.

Again this is a very tragic accident and I know the families are devastated but the outpouring of support on here and what I’ve seen elsewhere in the media is a testament to their great fortune while they lived their life on earth. Hopefully the families can’t take solace in that.
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