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re: You’re the President. Do you drop the bomb?
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:07 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:07 am to Darth_Vader
I'd drop it when I got to number 4 on your list.
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Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:08 am to Darth_Vader
No I would not have. There is a reason that we have Anime and tentacle porn.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:09 am to Slingscode
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Wasn't Tokyo the original target?
It was ruled out quickly. One main reason was it had already been gutted. All dropping an A Bomb would have done was flatten already burned out ruins. The fact of the matter is by late summer 1945, there were not many cities left in Japan that had not already been virtually flattened or burned to a crisp.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:14 am to Darth_Vader
What people forget is the way to win a war is to eliminate or reduce your enemies: capability and will to wage war, it is quite frankly in it's simplest terms the essence of brutality of the species. Win...... there are no points for second place in combat.....
WIN......
WIN......
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:15 am to Darth_Vader
What's up, Darth?
Drop it in a fricking heartbeat.
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You’re the President. Do you drop the bomb? by Darth_Vader
Drop it in a fricking heartbeat.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:15 am to Spaceman Spiff
Hey, Spaceman. How you been? 
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:16 am to Darth_Vader
I'd just read about the atrocities of Nanking and then go to sleep comfortably knowing I gave them a quick mercy instead.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:16 am to Darth_Vader
Add also as a demonstration to Stalin. There were fears Japan would turn communist, especially if Soviet help was needed to finish them off. There was a peace faction in the Japanese government, but there was also a faction that was for continued war, and it almost instigated a coup rather than surrender, even after the bombs. Some of the bomb's most ardent critics were its developers, particularly Oppenheimer. After Germany's defeat, many of them wanted to shelve it, on the premise Japan was not an existential threat the way Germany was.
Bottom line, it was not cut and dried, and there were those who opposed its use even at the beginning. However, Truman's mandate was to end the war as expeditiously as possible, and anyone who faults him for using every means at his disposal is at best holding him to a higher moral standard than is realistic. At worst they are being duplicitous to further an agenda.
Bottom line, it was not cut and dried, and there were those who opposed its use even at the beginning. However, Truman's mandate was to end the war as expeditiously as possible, and anyone who faults him for using every means at his disposal is at best holding him to a higher moral standard than is realistic. At worst they are being duplicitous to further an agenda.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:17 am to Darth_Vader
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Hey, Spaceman. How you been?
Doing well, brotherman. You?
Love this thread. Today's pussies would be all up in arms. Well, note some of the responses in the other thread. Do what has to be done against an enemy that doesn't believe in surrendering.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:19 am to Darth_Vader
Drop the bomb on Tokyo is the correct answer
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:20 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Doing well, brotherman. You?
Doing better than I deserve.
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Love this thread.
Thank you.
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Today's pussies would be all up in arms. Well, note some of the responses in the other thread.
I know there’s a lot who condem the US for dropping the bomb. Look at the downvotes to my OP if you have any doubts. But what I’m not seeing is any of them answering my question on what they’d have done instead. Wonder why they’re avoiding the question?
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:22 am to Darth_Vader
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Doing better than I deserve
You got this, brotherman.
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But what I’m not seeing is any of them answering my question on what they’d have done instead. Wonder why they’re avoiding the question?
Because they'd rather let millions more die.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:22 am to JETigER
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Drop the bomb on Tokyo is the correct answer
This was Tokyo in August 1945.
There was no Tokyo by that point.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:28 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:31 am to JETigER
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Drop the bomb on Tokyo is the correct answer
Tokyo was deliberately excluded because it had already been leveled. They wanted a relatively undamaged city.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:31 am to Darth_Vader
Yes.
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Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:37 am to fr33manator
The developers werent sure what would happen with the first test. There was some concern it would ignite the atmosphere. They didn't think it would, but they couldn't rule it out.
You can actually visit the Trnity site twice a year, in April and October.
You can actually visit the Trnity site twice a year, in April and October.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:37 am to Darth_Vader
Me personally, I wouldnt have dropped the bomb. But then again, that is why I am not the President or a top military leader.
Dropping the bomb was absolutely the right call, it ended the war the quickest way possible. I just know myself, I do not have it in me to do something that would knowingly kill thousands of innocent people. I could not make that call with my conscious. Even If it is the right thing, I just dknt havr the balls to do so...
Dropping the bomb was absolutely the right call, it ended the war the quickest way possible. I just know myself, I do not have it in me to do something that would knowingly kill thousands of innocent people. I could not make that call with my conscious. Even If it is the right thing, I just dknt havr the balls to do so...
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:43 am to Darth_Vader
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What do you do, Mr. President? And what are your reasons for whatever course you decide is best?
Drop that fricker. Twice.
My reasons are the same reason the Truman gave the order to drop Fat-man and Little boy. The very reasons you listed on your scenario.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:50 am to Darth_Vader
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I believe in Aug-Sept. of 1945 we had 3 maybe 4 bombs ready with more being produced at a rate of (I believe) about 1 per month.
We started out with 3. 2 plutonium bombs and one uranium bomb. Uranium bombs are simple. They knew it would work so there was no need to test it. Plutonium bombs are very complex so they decided to take one of them and test it. This was the Trinity Test.
So that left us with two. The uranium bomb (Little Boy) was dropped on Hiroshima. Our leaders hoped that would end the war right then and there. When it didn't, they had no choice but to follow through and drop our last one (Fat Man) on Nagasaki. Fortunately, that convinced them.
There was one more in the pipeline but it was a few weeks away from being ready. Your rate of one a month sounds about right, somewhere in the 4-6 week range per bomb.
Regarding targets, knowing that the bomb was coming, the Air Force planners had been "saving" a handful of cities as potential targets for the bombs, should they be needed. As you pointed out, bombing Tokyo would have been pointless since it was already in ruins.
If we'd had a larger inventory, maybe we could have dropped one off the coast to show them what it could do and then told them the next one is going to land on one of your cities. But we didn't have that luxury.
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