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re: Year Round School - La Legislative proposal

Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:29 am to
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:29 am to
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They’ve shortened summers already. As a kid I got out just before Memorial Day and went back right after Labor Day. This would just be a continuation of the current trend. If you going in that direction anyway, let’s just do it already


The end goal here is to have your kids in a concrete box all year round learning to love Big Brother.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:31 am to
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The end goal here is to have your kids in a concrete box all year round learning to love Big Brother.


by having them in school the same amount of days?

interesting tactic
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6165 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:32 am to
I wish they would couple this idea with removing daylight savings time. I think multiple breaks works better than the long summer.
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6165 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:35 am to
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Kids are in private school, doesn’t apply to me but with 2 parents working, finding childcare for 2 weeks at a time sounds pretty hard when there are plenty of camps available for a summer


Um,.. the camps would just adjust to those times. Instead of a two week camp in June they would have a 2 week camp in October. Camps exist for when their are customers, not because of summer.
Posted by LSU2001
Cut Off, La.
Member since Nov 2007
2388 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:39 am to
I was a high school biology teacher for 6 years and then was a middle school and high school principal for over 10 years. I am in full support of the year-round school. The first nine weeks of class in pretty much any school is spent reviewing the content of the previous grade. As a biology teacher, I had to spend a good bit of time refreshing the students on basic scientific principles just so I could begin teaching my content. There is such a knowledge retention problem in schools today. a lot of students simply do not retain knowledge from the past year over the summer break. I think this gap would be at least partially addressed with a shorter summer break. I understand that it is the same number of instructional minutes over the course of a school year, but with a two-month break from school vs. a 2 or 3-week break, I think the retention issue would not be nearly as bad as it is now.
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 9:41 am
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:42 am to
just be honest and say that you want kids all year long so you can further indoctrinate them with your liberal ideology

Posted by LSU2001
Cut Off, La.
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Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:45 am to
You my friend are a total idiot, I am as conservative as they come and I never tried to indoctrinate any student in liberal thinking.
However, the loss of knowledge is a real issue in today's schools.
Posted by danilo
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Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:03 am to
Stop Stealing Our Summer! Stop The Steal! Stop The Steal!
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40255 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:03 am to
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True, but they had to create a transportation system with Covid as none of the buses were running.


Yeah, again, I didn't know if they did that, or just didn't offer bussing for that time.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
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40255 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:05 am to
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just be honest and say that you want kids all year long so you can further indoctrinate them with your liberal ideology


Uhh... by keeping them in school the same number of days?

I thought the O-T was smart...
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:06 am to
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I thought the O-T was smart...


be better at detecting sarcasm

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The end goal here is to have your kids in a concrete box all year round learning to love Big Brother.


quote:

by having them in school the same amount of days?

interesting tactic
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40255 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:34 am to
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be better at detecting sarcasm


Fair enough. It's hard to tell on here sometimes...
Posted by GCTigahs
Member since Oct 2014
2452 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:37 am to
The Gulfport School District will be starting yr round school for the 21-22 school yr. School starts on July 23rd for them and they will have four 45 day sessions with a 2wk break in between. School will end on June 7, 2022.
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Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:38 am to
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It's hard to tell on here sometimes...


except when the posts I was obviously mocking was on the same page
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
53802 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:11 am to
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Curious to everyone’s thoughts on this?



i think this is what they do in China and Japan and those two are kicking our arse right now
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71887 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:13 am to
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Basically 2 months of school then 2 week break year round vs long summer. Same # of school days.

Seems like it would completely wreck athletics and other extracurriculars.
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 11:14 am
Posted by Parade Grounds
BR,LA
Member since Jun 2017
866 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:17 am to
This is a good idea. Other countries have passed the US in education partially because their kids go year round and avoid forgetting everything over the summer. This has been mentioned in several books and articles - it also affects poor cities/districts worse as those kids have no direction over summer and can’t afford summer camps. May not be as convenient for teachers and parents but for academics it is superior.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40255 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:18 am to
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Seems like it would completely wreck athletics and other extracurriculars.


How so? They would adjust. Spring sports would end later. Other sports could take breaks during the season, just have a couple of bye weeks.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
53802 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:22 am to
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Seems like it would completely wreck athletics and other extracurriculars.



it would be great for athletics... you no longer have to have soccer and basketball at the same time of the year...

you could have football from Sep to Nov with playoffs in December, basketball from Dec to Feb with playoffs in March, soccer from March till May with playoffs in June, and baseball from May to July with playoffs in August, and those four would each get three month seasons with little overlap
Posted by Thorny
Montgomery, AL
Member since May 2008
2217 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:52 am to
Did something like this for first 4 years of school. They called it "45-15", meaning we had 45 days on and 15 days off, and it was done in part to help overcrowding in a fast growing county (Pasco County FL).

All it really did was spread the learning loss around the year. Scores were not particularly improved.

Additionally, it was a logistical nightmare, as the students were tracked into 4 groups, with one of them out at a time. So, if you were on Track A, you got pretty much all of December off and if you were on Track D, you got pretty much all of January off. But, Tracks C & D got only the two weeks right at Christmas and were either coming off only 15 days of school (starting in early December), or were going to come back for 15 days of school before going on break in late January.

The practical upshot was that the busing routes and classroom allocation was changing every 3 weeks. There wasn't extra room for each track to have dedicated classrooms, so the first year, every student's schedule changed every three weeks. This affected two of my brothers.

I had a different problem. I went to a very small school where we only had one classroom for each grade. This meant the students in the classroom were different each track change. Teachers had to deal with knowing which students were coming off of vacation and account for them having not experienced the instruction for the previous 15 days.

Again, it was a nightmare. And, that's before you account for sports and extracurricular activities, which would require participants who are on one of their vacation tracks to continue going to practice during that vacation.

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ome of the most common arguments against year-round schools include:

Studies have not conclusively proven the academic benefits.
Students forget information just as easily with a three-week break as 10. Therefore, teachers on a year-round system end up with four periods of review instead of just one at a new school year.
Summer programs such as youth camps suffer.
Student summer employment becomes virtually impossible.
Many older school buildings do not have air conditioning, making a year-round schedule impractical.
Band and other extracurricular programs can run into problems scheduling practices and competitions, which often take place during the summer months.
With multitracking, parents could have students at the same school on different schedules.


Pros and Cons of Year-Round School

I am sympathetic to the idea of year-round schools, as so many people don't have a plan or adequate resources to deal with their kid being home all summer. But, I would not recommend this course of action.


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