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WW1 opening German offensive

Posted on 3/25/26 at 11:33 am
Posted by ClientNumber9
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Posted on 3/25/26 at 11:33 am
Did the French really expect the German army to throw themselves headlong into their heavily fortified border? Apparently, the French high command took days to even comprehend Germany's end around into northern France and they were paralyzed with disbelief. Was Joffre really that bad?

Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 3/25/26 at 11:35 am to
Posted by Rip Torner
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Posted on 3/25/26 at 11:44 am to
Germany weakened their right flank too much or it likely would have succeeded
Posted by MattA
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 3/25/26 at 11:45 am to
Never underestimate French High command arrogance. Their soldiers were, and are to this day, scrappy as hell. It’s their leadership that has always been questionable.
Posted by rt3
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Posted on 3/25/26 at 11:47 am to
The Germans were gambling that the British Empire wouldn't get involved once Germany started moving through those 3 border states... particularly Belgium

They gambled incorrectly and when Britain declared war... German complete victory was almost immediately made impossible
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 3/25/26 at 11:49 am to
Did you just link a FIVE HOUR history video on the great war????

Thanks, I do believe I will watch that.
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 3/25/26 at 11:50 am to
Ah yes, the Schlieffen Plan.

The Sledgehammer.


Brings me back to my first listen of "Blueprint for Armageddon."
Posted by rt3
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Posted on 3/25/26 at 11:51 am to
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Did you just link a FIVE HOUR history video on the great war????

Thanks, I do believe I will watch that.

There's a whole YouTube channel called The Great War that has tons of videos on events leading up to, during, & after WWI through basically the start of WWII

ETA: The Great War channel on YouTube
This post was edited on 3/25/26 at 11:55 am
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 3/25/26 at 12:12 pm to
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Did the French really expect the German army to throw themselves headlong into their heavily fortified border? Apparently, the French high command took days to even comprehend Germany's end around into northern France and they were paralyzed with disbelief.


The furthest left French commander (Lanrezac) was screaming at high command days and weeks before the Schlieffen plan that the Germans were massing for a big swing like that.

They refused to listen, loaded up in their center and right and flanks and tried hit them at the “hinge” where the Germans were thought to be weakest. However, the Germans brought forward their reserves to bolster the ranks and it led to a French slaughter at the Battle of the Frontiers.

The German army was really and truly without match in the First World War.
Posted by lsuconnman
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Posted on 3/25/26 at 12:19 pm to
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There's a whole YouTube channel called The Great War that has tons of videos on events leading up to, during, & after WWI through basically the start of WWII


Around the 100th anniversary, someone setup rewound Facebook’s timeline to 1914 with all of Europe's leaders shite talking one another throughout the duration of war which was wildly entertaining.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/25/26 at 12:19 pm to
The French weren't stupid. They suspected that Germany being unwilling to guarantee Belgian neutrality meant that the German army had plans for Belgium, which meant a potential right hook against Paris. What the French did not count on, however, were the Germans moving three entire armies (some 750,000 men) around their left flank. They had hoped that Plan XVII - their own assault against German positions - would force Germany to redeploy what troops they were sending against Belgium to the French point of attack. Those attacks were spectacular failures, however.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/25/26 at 12:31 pm to
Perfect timing.

My son (16). Has a paper over some WW1 topics. I get excited. Dad’s time to shine. Love history.

One question. “Similarities between WW1 and the Russian/Ukraine war??

One was the most horrific conflict ever. The other is still occurring.
Posted by rt3
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Posted on 3/25/26 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

Around the 100th anniversary, someone setup rewound Facebook’s timeline to 1914 with all of Europe's leaders shite talking one another throughout the duration of war which was wildly entertaining.

I wish I had seen that... sure it was hilarious as hell

Sad thing is... a lot had to go wrong for it to not stay just another blow up in the Balkins

3 ruling cousins couldn't keep the peace (King of England, German Kaiser, & Tsar of Russia were all cousins)
Posted by rt3
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Posted on 3/25/26 at 12:44 pm to
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My son (16). Has a paper over some WW1 topics. I get excited. Dad’s time to shine. Love history.

I feel like this will be me when my baby gets to that age
Posted by TheHarahanian
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Member since May 2017
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Posted on 3/25/26 at 12:47 pm to
Through Belgium into France, and they never see it coming.

Imaginot that.
This post was edited on 3/25/26 at 12:48 pm
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 3/25/26 at 1:47 pm to
Here's the 3 hr part one lol

Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/25/26 at 3:48 pm to
quote:

Did the French really expect the German army to throw themselves headlong into their heavily fortified border?


In short, pretty much yes. That’s what they expected.

France has a habit of always preparing for the last war instead of the next war. In the case of WWI, France was prepared to counter the move the Prussian Army an its lesser German allies made in 1870…



But unlike the last war, in 1914 France planned to go on the offensive from the get go. They had their “Plan XVII” in case of war with Germany. It calls for an immediate invasion of Germany as soon as mobilization had been completed. Ironically, this plan also had an option for an invasion of Belgium as well to outflank German defenses.

France doubled down on preparing for the last war after WWI when it built the Maginot Line. The French thought they had the answer to Germany coming through Belgium again by relying on the Maginot line in the south and structuring their army in 1940 the same way it was organized in 1918 to defeat any German thrust though the Low Countries. The French failed to grasp that the combination of combined arms armored thrusts coupled with close air support had fundamentally altered the nature of warfare. France was prepared to fight a 1918 style battle in 1940 This once again lead to disaster and ultimately defeat in just six weeks.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70039 posts
Posted on 3/25/26 at 3:52 pm to
Well, the French liked the fact that Germany went through the low countries. It drew Great Britain into the war, and the time it took the Germans to take the stout Belgian fortresses gave the French needed time to mobilize.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38144 posts
Posted on 3/25/26 at 4:03 pm to
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It’s their leadership that has always been questionable.


The lion of Verdun wasn’t questionable until he left the military for the comfortable life of a politician and then turned into one of the biggest cucks ever.

Shame.
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