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re: WSJ: Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective Drug?

Posted on 7/29/21 at 4:43 pm to
Posted by TigerBreath78
Member since Mar 2019
85 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 4:43 pm to
I don't think you wanted to find evidence that it works.
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Posted by TigerBreath78
Member since Mar 2019
85 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 4:53 pm to
Ivermectin is the generic version. Merck's version, Stromectol, is only one of many readily available formulations of Ivermectin. Merck is no better than the rest, but doesn't stand to make a meaningful profit from it so is wisely staying out of that aspect of the mess.
Posted by shell01
Marianna, FL
Member since Jul 2014
806 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 4:57 pm to
TigerBreath, did you read the study you posted? Tell us your take on the conclusion. I'll wait.
Posted by BillyGibbons
St. Somewhere
Member since Mar 2020
782 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:10 pm to
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There is a safe an effective proven preventative measure out there though called a vaccine. Some of y’all are hell bent on convincing yourselves that it’s dangerous etc and let’s not kid ourselves it all boils down to politics. If Trump was out there pushing it the antivaxxers would all have both shots months ago.


This right here is bullshite.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 5:11 pm
Posted by TigerBreath78
Member since Mar 2019
85 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:17 pm to
shell01 - I read the abstract. Thanks for waiting.
Posted by Bomont
Member since May 2021
975 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:18 pm to
B/C there's no $$$$ in it
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
42338 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:19 pm to
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Ivermectin fights 21 viruses, including SARS-CoV-2, the cause of Covid-19. A single dose reduced the viral load of SARS-CoV-2 in cells by 99.8% in 24 hours and 99.98% in 48 hours, according to a June 2020 study published in the journal Antiviral Research.


Because:

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The Antiviral Research pre-publication paper, “The FDA-approved drug ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitroExternal Link Disclaimer,” documents how SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) responded to ivermectin when exposed in a petri dish. This type of study is commonly used in the early stages of drug development. Ivermectin was not given to people or animals in this study.


Subsequent studies have not supported this conclusion and the most recent analysis of all studies on Ivermectin stated no conclusion could be drawn as the studies varied in so many factors. There are 3 big studies being carried out right now that should shed more light on its effectiveness.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 5:21 pm
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14970 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:41 pm to
The liability waivers the FedGov gave to the vax makers is such that if an OTC or other, safe treatment were found, they'd lose their immunity from liability.

Ivermectin is exactly that. It would open them up to trillions of dollars in liability worldwide and destroy their ability to recoup the money they expected to reap off of their vaccines.

Follow the money.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54836 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:43 pm to
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The liability waivers the FedGov gave to the vax makers is such that if an OTC or other, safe treatment were found, they'd lose their immunity from liability.
Do you have a link to that? This is the first I’ve heard that claim and it seems strange on its face.
Posted by When in Rome
Telegraph Road
Member since Jan 2011
36162 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:46 pm to
I think the actual argument is more along the lines of the EUA being pulled for vaccines in the event of a safe alternative like Ivermectin. So I don't think it has as much to do with liability as it preventing the emergency use authorization of the vaccines; i.e. the vaccine manufacturers would have to get full FDA approval before the vaccines could be deployed.

FDA.gov

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An Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies, such as the current COVID-19 pandemic. Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. Taking into consideration input from the FDA, manufacturers decide whether and when to submit an EUA request to FDA.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29471 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:47 pm to
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Who gives af? Are we taking medical advice from economists now?


We just took economic advice / orders from doctors and public health experts for the past year lmao, many of whom are corrupt or narrow minded hacks.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54836 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:50 pm to
I don’t think ivermectin would be an alternative to a vaccine. I could be wrong. Nevertheless, that’s far different from what he claimed.
Posted by When in Rome
Telegraph Road
Member since Jan 2011
36162 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:53 pm to
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I don’t think ivermectin would be an alternative to a vaccine
I think pro-Ivermectin people see it as a safer alternative to the vaccine due to decades of use and claim that the reason for Ivermectin suppression is that they would have to revoke the EUA for vaccines. Obviously this sort of efficacy has yet to be backed up by hard data, but that is what they claim.
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Nevertheless, that’s far different from what he claimed.
True, but I think he was mixing up this claim/muddying the waters with the indemnity the drug companies have secured with the EUA.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54836 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:59 pm to
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Obviously this sort of efficacy has yet to be backed up by hard data, but that is what they claim.
Well, hopefully it ultimately proves true.
Posted by When in Rome
Telegraph Road
Member since Jan 2011
36162 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:00 pm to
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Well, hopefully it ultimately proves true.
Totally. I love the idea of a multi-pronged attack on covid, including Ivermectin and vaccines, especially in places where the vaccine is slower to get to since Ivermectin is so cheap and plentiful. But we first have to prove that Ivermectin is the miracle some people think it is, which I don't think has really conclusively happened.

This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 6:03 pm
Posted by Roaad
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:39 pm to
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We retract the part of our article that relied on the data from Dr. Elgazzar’s study. But the broader point stands: There’s strong evidence of ivermectin’s efficacy in treating Covid-19.
Posted by Roaad
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:41 pm to
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This is why you dont listen to economists trying to give medical advice kiddos

You forgot to quote something, I think. . .

Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6805 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:46 pm to
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We retract the part of our article that relied on the data from Dr. Elgazzar’s study. But the broader point stands: There’s strong evidence of ivermectin’s efficacy in treating Covid-19.


Yeah the data they used was totally BS but the point still stands... lmfao
Posted by phil good
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
1685 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 6:51 pm to
I went to Mexico a few months ago and Ivermectin was in good supply. Made sure to bring several boxes home
Posted by macjonesgoat
Member since Feb 2021
898 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 7:03 pm to
Thank God no one EVER has a motive to commit evil... am I right? not a boomer btw.
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