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re: WSJ/NYT - US & Israel Strike Tehran

Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:07 am to
Posted by UltimaParadox
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:07 am to
Trump said yesterday the plan was always 4-5 weeks minimum, and could go longer if needed
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:09 am to
Trump has signaled several weeks, perhaps longer. It certainly sounds like the ambition is to tee up a moment in time where Trump/Bibi will basically say "we've destroyed the leadership, we've pummeled all the regime strongholds, this is your moment" and hope for the best.

But my main objection to this conflict - and I've been admittedly mixed on it since it became more and more realistic - is that things change, you have sunk cost feelings, you have "we're so close" temptations, etc.

Trump has already said some things that make me think he wouldn't walk away if the Iranians were less than impressive in rising to their moment.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:54 am to
Israel attacked the meeting of the Iranian leadership group that was meeting about choosing a new Supreme Leader/Ayatollah.
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Posted by Violent Hip Swivel
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 10:27 am to
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Watch the entire thing in context.


Fast forward to the 44 second mark of Rubio talking in the twitter above.
Posted by Violent Hip Swivel
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 10:29 am to
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Israel attacked the meeting of the Iranian leadership group that was meeting about choosing a new Supreme Leader/Ayatollah.


If I was a member of the Iranian leadership group, which I'm not, I would've asked if the meeting could just be an email instead.
Posted by dallastigers
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 10:29 am to
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Link to the Text of Rubio’s full remarks

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This was Rubio's actual argument for imminence, as the full clip shows. He pointed out that Iran's capacity for missile production exceeds our production level for anti-ballistic missile defenses, and the gap widened every month. Iran may have been about a year away from having so many ballistic missiles and drones that they could have pursued weapons-grade enrichment with impunity and openly developed nuclear weapons. The regime had already resorted to large-scale massacres of its own subjected people to maintain power; their "apocalyptic" theology would have encouraged them to use nuclear weapons against Israel and the US. Their refusal to discuss any limits on any of these ambitions became clear last week, and as Rubio argued, we needed to act while we still could.



https://www.axios.com/2026/03/03/rubio-trump-iran-israel-attacks

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"We knew that there was going to be an Israeli action" against Iran, Rubio told reporters on Capitol Hill on Monday. "We knew that that would precipitate an attack against American forces" by the Iranian regime.

"And we knew that if we didn't preemptively go after them before they launched those attacks, we would suffer higher casualties ... And then we would all be here answering questions about why we knew that and didn't act," Rubio continued.

Rubio added later: "Obviously, we were aware of Israeli intentions and understood what that would mean for us, and we had to be prepared to act as a result of it. But this had to happen no matter what."

The widely repeated translation: The U.S. couldn't stop its ally — a far smaller nation that America arms, funds and protects — from attacking Iran on Saturday. So the U.S. had to strike Iran, too.

Not quite, U.S. officials said later. Regardless of Israel, they said, Trump ordered the strikes because he felt Iran was negotiating a nuclear deal in bad faith, and the U.S. needed to destroy the country's offensive military infrastructure.

"This operation needed to happen," Rubio told reporters, because Iran was developing too many missiles too quickly and was rebuilding its nuclear capabilities.

Reality check:The picture critics are painting — of a U.S. reluctantly pulled into war by a smaller ally — obscures the deep coordination between the two countries in the weeks before the strike.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had been urging Trump to strike Iran since December — but Israeli officials say he wouldn't have moved without Trump's explicit approval.

It's highly unlikely Netanyahu would've struck Iran without Trump's green light, Israeli officials added. If Trump had preferred to keep negotiating, the strike would have been postponed.

Over the past year, Trump has repeatedly reined in Netanyahu from aggressive military operations, including his bombing campaign last year in Syria.

And Trump essentially forced the Israeli prime minister to accept a Gaza peace plan that resulted in Hamas releasing all of its remaining hostages and the remains of others.

Netanyahu pushed back Monday night, telling Fox News' Sean Hannity that Trump "can't be dragged" into anything — and that the president acts on his own judgment.

…Philip Klein, editor of National Review Online, wrote that those who think Rubio "said that Netanyahu forced the U.S. into war ... are conflating the question 'Why?' with the question of 'Why now?' ... Rubio was not trying to argue that Israel dragged the U.S. into this war."

Posted by Violent Hip Swivel
Member since Aug 2023
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 10:58 am to
Blah blah blah we knew that there was going to be an Israeli action against Iran, Rubio told reporters on Capitol Hill on Monday. We knew that that would precipitate an attack against American forces by the Iranian regime.
Posted by AHM21
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 11:56 am to
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 12:02 pm to
“moral backing” that’s what we should offer Israel going forward.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 12:15 pm to
I tepidly support this action

But I would put the chances that there is some internal finding/memo/etc. with a very different conclusion about Iran's plans and conclusions at about 100%

I also think the apocalyptic, Iran-would-use-immediately concept is probably belied by every regime expert in the US intelligence community. Which isn't to say we should ever accept that risk, I just think it's being spiced up for public consumption on the war justification.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 12:17 pm to
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Trump said yesterday the plan was always 4-5 weeks minimum, and could go longer if needed

Wasn't the "we can go forever" comment in relation to the fake news that CENTCOM is running low on munitions? He's said 4 weeks is the estimate and we are running ahead of schedule last I saw.
Posted by RIPMachoMan
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 12:33 pm to
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Wasn't the "we can go forever" comment in relation to the fake news that CENTCOM is running low on munitions?


Didn’t think it was a blanket statement for all munitions. I read it was around the missile defense but that was over time could be stressed.

Do I know the hard fact counts? No, so I trust our military to manage it as best they can
Posted by Chuck Barris
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 12:41 pm to
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He never said that they were going to be attacked by Israel and we knew about it, just that someone was going to attack Iran.
Boy, I wonder who he might have been talking about?

Perhaps Paraguay has been right on the edge of attacking Iran this whole time? Or maybe he meant Estonia? Maybe we had top secret information that Vanuatu was planning an invasion of Iran?

It's such a shame that there's absolutely no way that a reasonable person could possibly infer which country might have been about to attack Iran!

One thing's for sure though: Rubio absolutely wasn't talking about Israel, the country that just attacked Iran.
This post was edited on 3/3/26 at 1:31 pm
Posted by MSUDawg98
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 2:51 pm to
Well it's almost 11 in Israel. Time for tonight's fireworks...

It's impossible to not respect how they deal with this. 21st century Battle of Britain levels of ordinance flying in the air.
Posted by MSUDawg98
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 2:53 pm to
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 2:56 pm to
Trump should tell the NFL to stay out of Spain this year.
Posted by BOHICAMAN
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 2:57 pm to
I appreciate the sentiment, but how exactly does the president cut off all trade with Spain? What’s the mechanism there?
Posted by MSUDawg98
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