re: WSJ/NYT - US & Israel Strike Tehran

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According to the Iranian government.

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no, according to the Pew Research Center... back in 2010

World Value Survey in 2022 said 96.6% identify as Muslim... still higher than that 90-95 number thrown out with no statistical basis whatsoever

You may be correct that Christianity arises in some proportion following a best case outcome, the later of course very much uncertain. Persians are more sophisticated than other ME Muslim countries, albeit prior to the radical theocracy coming in power.

Something I didn't know, recognizing Saudis and Iranians have differing interpretations of Islamic theology.

"Yes, following the 9/11 attacks, many Iranian citizens held candlelight vigils, marched in solidarity, and observed moments of silence for American victims in 2001. Notably, Iranians gathered in Tehran's Mohseni Square on September 18, 2001, to light candles, and 60,000 spectators observed a minute of silence during a soccer match in Tehran."

They were the only ME Islamic country to do so.

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Rubio just said the quiet part out loud. I'm honestly stunned. Surely somebody's going to try to walk this back or claim that he was misquoted, right?

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He said they knew that Iran would eventually be attacked and they knew that when that happened, they would target Americans. no matter who attacked them, they were going to attack Americans as a retaliation for being attacked.

He never said that they were going to be attacked by Israel and we knew about it, just that someone was going to attack Iran. He used Israel as an example: if Israel attacked Iran, Iran was going to target Americans in retaliation.

So we launched a preemptive attack with Israel (another country that would be targeted no matter who attacked).


Maybe we should ask who they believe would attack Iran, causing the need to cripple Iran first.

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"Yes, following the 9/11 attacks, many Iranian citizens held candlelight vigils, marched in solidarity, and observed moments of silence for American victims in 2001. Notably, Iranians gathered in Tehran's Mohseni Square on September 18, 2001, to light candles, and 60,000 spectators observed a minute of silence during a soccer match in Tehran."

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I think they had some of both - vigils and cheering. The regime likely helped the terrorists fleeing Afghanistan and in other ways, and they killed many American soldiers in Iraq.

The Shah’s authoritarian government was the only thing holding back the radicals. I am not sure they can have freedom from hardline muslims without another authoritarian govt coming in and going after the hardliners or at least keeping them in check. The young adults can dance all they want, but it’s time for them to act with some strength and not wait for others to do it all for them.

I still remember the Shiites in Irag celebrating Saddam being taken out by doing a religious practice he banned (cutting their scalps and bleeding or maybe bleeding a lamb over their heads or both) and at same time shouting death to America and/or something bad towards Bush who just helped them get this religious freedom they were celebrating getting back.

The whole ME area is backwards as frick with strong authoritarian govts required to keep the radicals in check. Iran was more modern before the takeover, but many of the non-radicals fled elsewhere. The young adults pushing for freedom is a big positive for Iran over most other muslim countries in the Middle East, but they may not have the stomach or the will to fight on their own. The regime loyalists are going to fight back including asymmetrical warfare later like the Bathists and terrorists did in Iraq to try and break their will.

Was it mostly quiet overnight? I saw embassy shutdowns etc.

That’s got to be deflating if accurate

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He said they knew that Iran would eventually be attacked and they knew that when that happened, they would target Americans. no matter who attacked them, they were going to attack Americans as a retaliation for being attacked.

He never said that they were going to be attacked by Israel and we knew about it, just that someone was going to attack Iran. He used Israel as an example: if Israel attacked Iran, Iran was going to target Americans in retaliation.

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I have a hard time beliving that you believe your own spin. Holy shite man!

"We knew that there was going to be an Israeli action. We knew that that would precipitate an attack against American forces, and we knew that if we didn't preemptively go after them before they launched those attacks, we would suffer higher casualties."

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That’s got to be deflating if accurate

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They have to be literally retarded.

I mean if you've paid attention the last few days you should probably be going "hmm they seem to know our every move." Why the frick would you be gathering in one spot

Watch the entire thing in context.

Do we feel like this will slow down or stop soon? Or will it continue to escalate until boots are on the ground?

Iran seemingly needs to have some voice of reason on their side to begin ceasefire talks and present a plan for leadership of the country (which no doubt will need to be to the region and US's satisfaction). Not sure that will happen.

Really don't want a drawn out war with American lives on the ground. That story rarely ends well for us in these power vacuum situations.