re: Women Can't Find "Economically Attractive" Men

Took 10 pages to get to the answer but there it is

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anyone find me a single male that wouldn't be okay with their wife/SO making more than them?

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This site is full of insecure men that can’t handle it. Not all, but plenty.

My pops always did he wanted to have his wife make as much for him as she could. ;)

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are 6's and 7's (average guys like me)

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You are a 4. That’s your problem.

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Really, so you think they actually wrote an article about just a few women? They wouldn't have written this article if this wasn't becoming a major issue.

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Today's "journalists" rarely look outside of their own bubble.

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You have no basis for this whatsoever.

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read the OP again, there was also data from OKC posted

plus it's just simple math. educated women, historically, do not marry below their social level (again, as i said earlier, it's not just about money. due to feminist (or we can say, anti-man) policies, college graduation is skewed to like 60/40 with women in the lead. that simple imbalance leaves 20% of college-educated women without their preferred marriage opportunities.

i said this just off the top of my head based on basic logic, but here is a Guardian article on this topic

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In the US, he writes that among 22-to 29-year-olds, there are 5.5 million college-educated women, and 4.1 million college-educated men. We are seeing a gap in the UK too. Last year, a record number of women outnumbered men, with nearly 58,000 more women than men. “In the vernacular of the bestselling dating manuals, it’s not that He’s Just Not Into You,” writes Birger. “It’s that There Aren’t Enough of Him.” In the US his book has been greeted with relief (women have told him it’s a comfort to know there’s nothing wrong with them, just that they’ve fallen victim to the numbers) but is also described as “depressing” and “patronising” (one of his bits of advice for single women is to move to Silicon Valley and snap up the educated single men there).

To be clear, we are talking about heterosexual women who want to find a partner; there are plenty of straight women who don’t feel finding a man is a high priority. But, “for educated women who refuse to date non-educated men, it creates two problems,” says Birger. “It creates a statistical challenge, because they are voluntarily limiting themselves to a dating pool that has four women for every three men, but it also gives way too much leverage to those college-educated men, and I think it encourages those men to be overly choosy and to delay settling down.” This kind of classism “doesn’t penalise the men because the supply of educated women is so large.”

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on top of this is the natural changes in behavior of men and women when population size of either is skewed. when there are more men than women, sex decreases in that population because women become over-valued. when there are more women than men, sex increases in that population because men become more valued. basically when men become more valuable, women have to compete with sex more and men don't have to commit to get sex (and men, generally won't commit when sex is "cheap"). when men outnumber women, sex is expensive for men so it becomes rare and men have to show they're a valuable mate and that they will commit to "afford" sex.

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He thinks one of the drivers of the so-called hook-up culture is the number of men who have found a wealth of available women to choose from. “I’m not trying to be the morality police,” he says, and he’s not saying that everyone wants to be, or should be, seeking marriage or that there aren’t women who enjoy casual sex as much as men. “But I do think the imbalance gives men more incentive to play the field.”

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Robin Dunbar, professor of evolutionary psychology at Oxford University, says women looking for equally-educated male partners, “will be forced to compete, I guess, and those that lose will have to downgrade their expectations and are likely to marry later as a result.” There is historical evidence for this – he points to analyses of parish marriage registers from an area of Germany in the 18th and 19th centuries. “We see this in the historical data – actual ages at marriage are later for those who marry down the social scale than those who marry up or at the same level.”

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Washington Times article. Same thing.

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“If you ask a lot of single women in major metropolitan areas with college degrees, you would probably hear a lot of that,” Ms. Wang said. “It is hard. If you look at the pool, it’s true because overall we see that women are more educated than men. So if you’re a woman who wants to marry someone with a college education, your chances go down. There aren’t as many men in the pool, so some women have to marry men without a college education.”

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you know who this utterly slaughters in the marriage market? black women

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And more than ever, people of higher educational and income attainment are choosing to marry each other, instead of selecting mates from different educational backgrounds. In 1970, only 37 percent of college-educated men had a spouse with a similar level of education. In 2007 that figure was more than 70 percent, according to data from Pew Research. These pairings differ widely by race, with black Americans less likely to marry overall, and college-educated black women less likely than other groups to marry a man with a similar level of education.

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The decision to marry someone of a similar educational status is called assortative mating, and for black Americans—particularly black women—the ability to participate in such forms of marital selection are slimmer than they are for women of other races. For one, black women are much more likely than their male counterparts to obtain college degrees. They're also less likely to marry outside of their race, which can leave them with fewer choices when it comes to matching up with someone of a similar educational status. And that can have a ripple effect that impacts not only current earnings, but future economic mobility.

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here is another angle for you. marriage is becoming a behavior of the educated class and people above lower, lower-middle class. this means, as a society, marriage is being reserved for the very population i was discussing above. if we consolidate marriage into the educated class, and large gaps of that class (20-33%) don't even have the option of mates of that social level, what do you think will happen to marriage rates?



so uh, do you want to apologize now?

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I disagree, women have always had the expectation of "marrying up". Take a woman who makes $60,000, she probably isn't even considering any guy who doesn't make six figures.

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Wrong. My daughter married for love. She makes six figures were SIL only makes about 75K. They been married 10 years now.

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I believe heterosexual women want a man that can take take care of them physically, mentally,and financially.

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Women crave security. It's wired into them and socially ingrained. Most women regardless of political affiliation or class desire someone with resources.

Going on 20 years here. Twice as long as I thought we would, but not sure if I’ll make another 20.

There's not much of an incentive for men who are in the top let's say 15% to settle down. With dating apps it is incredibly easy to go on a different date each night of the week. There's a surplus of attractive, well educated women on these sites.

Also, there's a lot of issues with dating -- social media has made many women insufferable and the threat of divorce is too high. I've seen wayyy too many older men get completely burned from a divorce simply because their wives weren't "happy."

Why deal with all of that when you're in the top 15% and essentially an appreciating asset.

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There's not much of an incentive for men who are in the top let's say 15% to settle down. With dating apps it is incredibly easy to go on a different date each night of the week. There's a surplus of attractive, well educated women on these sites.

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that's why the numbers game is just bad all around, like i said earlier. if 20% of women are going for 1% of men, there will be lots of sex and few marriages. but 99% of men are now competing over 80% of women, with similar conal distribution of attention-contact

people are being excluded

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Also, there's a lot of issues with dating -- social media has made many women insufferable and the threat of divorce is too high. I've seen wayyy too many older men get completely burned from a divorce simply because their wives weren't "happy."

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the irony is that if marriage is this valuable to women, simple demographics and stats mean they'll be marrying down, and this paradigm flips