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Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:04 pm to lsupride87
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But Hayes being the calmest one on the scene, while the Smith party are the angry ones, would make some believe they were aggressors, which may have led to him then fearing for his life
which makes sense if they were all drinking and hayes and oneal were indeed sober.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:04 pm to ForeverLSU02
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Cacioppo says he didn't see Hayes talk to a white man in glasses after the shooting -- this seems to the off-duty cop who spoke with Hayes while on a call to 911, catching some statements from Hayes on tape. Cacioppo says Hayes' 1st human interaction post shooting was with first on-duty officer on the scene, Amanda Williams.
This could be important if you can't hear Hayes saying that he got out the car with a gun in his hand during the 911 call. I wonder when/if the call will be presented.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:05 pm to lsupride87
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Not worth responding to you, because we know, its irrelevant.
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which may have led to him then fearing for his life
So what if he feared for his life?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:05 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Yes, so what
So what if he feared for his life?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:06 pm to diat150
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taught in CCL classes
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unloaded his clip
you need to take this class
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:06 pm to oleyeller
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Cacioppo says that when Smith and Hayes were "hand checking" each other, Hayes was trying to defend himself. Says that Smith was aggressive.
Chad?
Fun bunch?
lnch?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:08 pm to lsupride87
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Yes, so what
You're right. His subjective "fear" doesn't matter at all. Its whether that fear of his life was reasonable.
And one could argue (as the ADA will, I'm sure), him being unsettelingly calm would suggest he wasn't fearful at all, but instead in total control of his actions and emotions.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:09 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:I hate to tell you fun bunch, esq, but "imminent fear" is a subjective measure.
You're right. His subjective "fear" doesn't matter at all. Its whether that fear was of his life was reasonable.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:09 pm to lsupride87
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Chad?
Fun bunch?
lnch?
two guys were handchecking. Hayes at one point follows will to his vehicle.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:10 pm to lsupride87
I hate to tell you, but reasonableness under the law has an objective standard that will be fairly well defined for the jury.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:10 pm to Chad504boy
quote:One guy was aggressively "hand checking", Will SMith, why another man was defending himself, Mr. Hayes
two guys were handchecking.
According to the witness
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:10 pm to Chad504boy
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Christopher McGaw is being called to the stand. He is the off-duty cop who spoke to Hayes after the shooting while on a call to 911.
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McGaw is currently assigned to the NOPD's 7th District, which patrols eastern New Orleans.
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McGaw became a full officer a couple of weeks after Smith's fatal shooting
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:10 pm to Fun Bunch
There's no way you're not a prosecutor. Mind made up, staying on script. No deviation from your original opinion despite evidence presented. Dead giveaway.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:10 pm to Fun Bunch
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So what if he feared for his life?
so biased.
must be a diehard saints fan this fun bunch.
come meet me in the coors light cold zone. I'll buy you a dome foam
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:11 pm to Fun Bunch
Can someone explain to me how being calm makes this okay? If anything, it makes it worse and less likely to be manslaughter and closer to murder 2.
Hell, if being calm when killing/shooting someone means you are not bad, then most serial killers would never be convicted.
Hell, if being calm when killing/shooting someone means you are not bad, then most serial killers would never be convicted.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:11 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:bullshite. They can try and define it all they want in the law, but imminent fear is inherently subjective. Get your head out the textbook 2l
I hate to tell you, but reasonableness under the law has an objective standard that will be fairly well defined for the jury.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:11 pm to ForeverLSU02
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McGaw was off-duty, on a date with a woman he had been seeing for a while, at the Half Moon Bar and Grill, the night Smith was killed.
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Half Moon is on the same block that Will Smith was killed. McGaw said he heard unmistakable 'bang bang' of at least 2 vehicles crashing.
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McGaw had worked as an EMT before the night Smith was killed. After hearing the crash, headed to the car, seeing if he could help.
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McGaw heard arguing after the crash and figured he would try to intervene and de-escalate whatever was going on.
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McGaw, on the argument: inarticulate, people shouting at each other. 'Two sides going at it.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:12 pm to ForeverLSU02
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McGaw: the entire reason I went from the bar to the argument was because it was rising in pitch and intensity.
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McGaw: when argument didn't stop, he figured either someone was hurt, causing people to argue; or someone simply needed to intervene.
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McGaw said he heard gunshots after he went past the Half Moon. "That's when I heard the staccato gunfire start." Grabbed phone to call 911.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:12 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:You need to follow better. He was calm when Smith and friends were being aggressive and confrontational. He has never said what he looked like as the shooting occured
Can someone explain to me how being calm makes this okay? If anything, it makes it worse and less likely to be manslaughter and closer to murder 2.
Hell, if being calm when killing/shooting someone means you are not bad, then most serial killers would never be convicted
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