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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:25 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:25 pm to lsupride87
I think you have to consider not even calling him as a witness and letting Fuller call him.
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:26 pm to lsupride87
Does PT Become that much more credible when he talks about Hernandez being aggressive or whatever but yet still proclaims Will was definitely murdered in the same token. Hernandez offered nothing positive to help convict Hayes, he didn't witness it, PT did.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:27 pm to LNCHBOX
03? So wait are you a chick? because I heard Jesuit wasn't letting boys enroll until 2020
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:27 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
PT: Richard Hernandez, Jonathan Whipple and Kevin O'Neal were fixing to fistfight. I was trying to de-escalate the situation.
quote:
PT repeats that 'guy with his shirt off swung' at Kevin O'Neal, in a red shirt. Fixated there because he thought the Will Smith argument ...
quote:
Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate 20m20 minutes ago ... was over. But then PT said he heard gunshots, and that froze him in his tracks. He then turned his attention toward where shots rang out
Man it sure sounds like the Smith friends were def agitators in part of the fight.
That doesnt settle the issue at hand though
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:28 pm to Mr. Hangover
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:28 pm to Chad504boy
quote:PT seems like a credible witness to me yes. But I havent heard his testimony show murder, nor self defense. It seems he was not paying attention to Smith during the crucial moments because he thought the argument was over.
Does PT Become that much more credible when he talks about Hernandez being aggressive or whatever but yet still proclaims Will was definitely murdered in the same token. Hernandez offered nothing positive to help convict Hayes, he didn't witness it, PT did.
I think PT is being honest. Which is extremely honorable
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:32 pm to lsupride87
quote:
But I havent heard his testimony show murder, nor self defense. It seems he was not paying attention to Smith during the crucial moments because he thought the argument was over.
if the argument between Hayes and Smith was over, then why did Smith get shot?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:33 pm to Zach Lee To Amp Hill
quote:Because smith was going for a gun
if the argument between Hayes and Smith was over, then why did Smith get shot?
or because Hayes just wanted to kill him
you pick
In PTs own words he said he was not focusing on Smith, because he "thought that argument was over"
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:34 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Because smith was going for a gun
and wallah, hayes already had one on him.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:35 pm to Chad504boy
Checkmate?
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:35 pm to Chad504boy
quote:Cool. I conceal carry. Come shoot me Chad. After all, I have a gun
nd wallah, hayes already had one on him.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:35 pm to lsupride87
I'll shoot you bro wya?
Where you want it?
Where you want it?
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:35 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
Who said this? I've never uttered the words "only case law matters"
You have repeatedly referred to case law and even cited certain cases. You have repeatedly posted comments about evidence doesn't matter when clearly it must matter when the DA or defense is trying to present it. After the defense questions a witness you just say it doesn't matter. It will matter to the jury and obviously the DA and the defense think it matters to sway the jurors opinions.
I don't care about if you disagree with me or anyone else, but pretentious attitude to anyone who is either waiting to see all of the evidence or someone who wants to automatically exonerate Hayes has caused me to attack your credibility.
For what it's worth I have never banned someone for disagreeing with me. Admins on this site volunteer and are posters just like others here. We have opinions and disagree. Feel free to post your opinions but don't get upset because your opinion is questioned.
I am still on the fence on whether or not Hayes is guilty of Murder 2. I currently think he is guilty of manslaughter but want to see all of the evidence before making a final determination.
Have a good day.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:36 pm to lsupride87
quote:
I conceal carry
are you big,black, and african garmented?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:36 pm to TigerFred
quote:
You have repeatedly referred to case law and even cited certain cases. You have repeatedly posted comments about evidence doesn't matter when clearly it must matter when the DA or defense is trying to present it. After the defense questions a witness you just say it doesn't matter. It will matter to the jury and obviously the DA and the defense think it matters to sway the jurors opinions.
I don't care about if you disagree with me or anyone else, but pretentious attitude to anyone who is either waiting to see all of the evidence or someone who wants to automatically exonerate Hayes has caused me to attack your credibility.
For what it's worth I have never banned someone for disagreeing with me. Admins on this site volunteer and are posters just like others here. We have opinions and disagree. Feel free to post your opinions but don't get upset because your opinion is questioned.
I am still on the fence on whether or not Hayes is guilty of Murder 2. I currently think he is guilty of manslaughter but want to see all of the evidence before making a final determination.
Have a good day
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:38 pm to Chad504boy
quote:Depends. I am taller than the average American, but also skinnier
are you big
quote:Where it matters
black
quote:Thats a negative ghost rider
african garmented?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:38 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Because smith was going for a gun or because Hayes just wanted to kill him you pick In PTs own words he said he was not focusing on Smith, because he "thought that argument was over"
yeah I know that's what Thomas said. so again, let's say that argument was over and the focus moved to Hernandez retarded fgt arse who was jumping around shirtless.
he swings at O'Neal. why does Hayes shoot Smith? Unless in that split second prior to getting shot Smith exclaimed "I AM GOING TO RETRIEVE MY WEAPON!" there was no reason to shoot him.
all that being said I think the jury is going to think Hernandez is a liar and instigated shite and Hayes is going to walk.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:40 pm to lsupride87
quote:
PT seems like a credible witness to me yes. But I havent heard his testimony show murder, nor self defense. It seems he was not paying attention to Smith during the crucial moments because he thought the argument was over.
I think PT is being honest. Which is extremely honorable
I am in the same boat. I think he has helped hayes side more with basically showing dickwad was the aggressor and lied. he also never mentions a gun being out until after hearing the first shot. I believe he even said that he saw hayes with both hands in the air. he also said smiths wife voice was the loudest and thats all he heard.
so what happens when outside witnesses come forward and say they heard the exchange about the guns?
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:40 pm to Zach Lee To Amp Hill
quote:Fair point
yeah I know that's what Thomas said. so again, let's say that argument was over and the focus moved to Hernandez retarded fgt arse who was jumping around shirtless.
he swings at O'Neal. why does Hayes shoot Smith? Unless in that split second prior to getting shot Smith exclaimed "I AM GOING TO RETRIEVE MY WEAPON!" there was no reason to shoot him.
Now hear the other side out
Hayes has his gun, and manages not to shoot Smith the entire time they are arguing.
Then when the argument seems over, Hayes finally decided frick it Im going to kill him?
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