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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:52 am to lsupride87
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:52 am to lsupride87
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Are you a fricking idiot?
Nope.
quote:
I am a scary person because I believe it is reasonable to grab my gun if two men are angrily approaching my vehicle, one of which has his shirt off and is saying nonsense?
I don't find it reasonable for you to get out of your vehicle with it. I find that to be instigating.
If people are walking up to your car, drive off.
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:53 am to lsupride87
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Fair enough. So you are of the impression Smith and Hernandez argued toe to toe with a man with a visible brandished gun?
at some point, i think if there was any possibility Will mentioned a gun, it was because Hayes had a gun. Period. Will wasn't throwing out, oh i got a gun and i'll show you how to use it if Hayes had never threatened with his gun first. That makes zero sense.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:53 am to Chad504boy
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Racquel didn't testify to what Will knew. Racquel was walking will back to the car probably and admitted she had back to Hayes.
again... what? she did not say she saw a gun and never made mention of anyone saying they had a gun. same as mrs dooley.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:53 am to lsupride87
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If I am on a jury, I would deem it perfectly reasonable to retrieve a gun if two angy men approached my vehicle.
Would you deem it reasonable if, as I suspect you may hear later, Cardell Hayes admitted to getting out of his car with a gun in his hand? Do you, as a reasonable person, expect that after an automobile accident you get out of your car and seeing the other person holding a gun?
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 9:54 am
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:53 am to Fun Bunch
quote:You have a son. He gets in a wreck. Two men angrily approach his car, one with his shirt off acting like a deckhand on a tugboat. Do you advise your son to grab his gun? Not shoot, but grab it?
I need to see something from Hayes' defense that creates a reasonable fear of his life BEFORE he takes out a gun.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:53 am to Chad504boy
Waistband chad, waistband... have you never seen how dey do it in da city?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:53 am to lsupride87
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If I am on a jury, I would deem it perfectly reasonable to retrieve a gun if two angy men approached my vehicle.
Thank god you are not on this jury.
This shite is insane. Its the very definition of not reasonable under the legal standard.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:54 am to lsupride87
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She said she separated the two men. It seems reasonable that she would have seen Hayes gun if he had it brandished correct?
there's plausible scenarios either way. I think it all went down so fast that she may have been in too much of a frenzy worrying about keeping Will away.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:54 am to Mr. Hangover
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obody fights anymore, everyone just shoots each other
maybe cardelle wasn't trying to fight.
so we must just fight if one wants to and take the risk of brain damage? I would rather just shoot the dumbass and take my chance in court instead of possibly dying or being a vegetable the rest of my life.
of course this may not match this case but you can't say that someone should just possible take an arse whooping because one person starts swinging. what if cardelle wasn't 6'6. what if it was gasser in this situation?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:54 am to tLSU
quote:I honestly cant follow this
Would you deem it reasonable if, as I suspect you may hear later, Cardell Hayes admitted to getting out of his car with a gun in his hand? Do you, as a reasonable person, expect that after an automobile accident you get out of your car and seeing the other person holding a gun?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:54 am to Mr. Hangover
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Waistband chad, waistband... have you never seen how dey do it in da city?
Defense mentioned Hayes may have put gun in hummer door, never mentioned concealing in waistband.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:54 am to lsupride87
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Do you advise your son to grab his gun? Not shoot, but grab it?
Generally speaking, of course not.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:54 am to lsupride87
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You have a son. He gets in a wreck. Two men angrily approach his car, one with his shirt off acting like a deckhand on a tugboat. Do you advise your son to grab his gun? Not shoot, but grab it?
I advise him to drive off. Getting out while armed is instigating.
Nice emotional argument tho
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:54 am to LNCHBOX
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If people are walking up to your car, drive off.
where? he had nowhere to go
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:55 am to Chad504boy
quote:I agree. This whole situation doesnt seem like we are going to get a clear picture at all.
there's plausible scenarios either way. I think it all went down so fast that she may have been in too much of a frenzy worrying about keeping Will away.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:55 am to Nado Jenkins83
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where? he had nowhere to go
Can't back up?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:55 am to lsupride87
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I honestly cant follow this
On the 911 call, Cardell Hayes is heard saying "I got out the car, the gun was in my hand." This was played at motions.
So. Is that reasonable?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:55 am to LNCHBOX
quote:Not exactly sure how he could have driven off at this moment
I advise him to drive off. Getting out while armed is instigating.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:56 am to lsupride87
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I honestly cant follow this
Not surprising.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:56 am to tLSU
quote:I have already said I think Hayes exited with the gun. I am simply portraying other possibilities
On the 911 call, Cardell Hayes is heard saying "I got out the car, the gun was in my hand." This was played at motions.
So. Is that reasonable?
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