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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:37 am to lsupride87
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:37 am to lsupride87
quote:\
Yes, I think Hayes had his gun first.
Then how can you come to any conclusion other than Hayes is guilty?
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:37 am to ForeverLSU02
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I thought Hayes exited the vehicle with the gun?
we still haven't gotten a full description of the sequence of events.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:37 am to TigahJay
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That doesn't matter. What matters is if Hayes pulled out his gun because Smith and Hernandez were the aggressors.
lol no.
Pulling out a gun is not a reasonable response under the law.
If Hayes pulled out a gun first, it is pretty much over.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:38 am to ForeverLSU02
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punched him
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:38 am to LNCHBOX
John Simerman ?@johnsimerman 10s11 seconds ago
Daniels also saying she never mentioned Kevin O'Neal swinging at her husband. "I don't remember what I told the detective," she replies.
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John Simerman ?@johnsimerman 37s38 seconds ago
Daniels suggesting Dooley never mentioned in early police interview that she saw a vehicle following them. Dooley said she doesn't recall.
Daniels also saying she never mentioned Kevin O'Neal swinging at her husband. "I don't remember what I told the detective," she replies.
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John Simerman ?@johnsimerman 37s38 seconds ago
Daniels suggesting Dooley never mentioned in early police interview that she saw a vehicle following them. Dooley said she doesn't recall.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:38 am to lsupride87
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Yes, I think Hayes had his gun first.
I am not waffling you dumbfrick. I have no idea what it means from a legal standpoint
Smith hit and run
Hayes follows smith and hits him
Smith exits car and heads to Hayes Hummer, with Hernandez taking off his shirt and acting like an animal
Hayes exits car with gun
Arguing ensues
Smtih mentions gun
Heads back to car after a mention of gun
Is shot dead
If this is the sequence of events that is proven, Hayes is going to jail.
Easily. Open and shut.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:38 am to lsupride87
Although the only thing that makes me question whether Hayes had a gun when he first got out the car is the fact Smith and Hernandez were willing to argue with a man with a gun? They were willing to go face to face with a man with a gun? Smiths wife was willing to get between a man with a gun?
Seems very possible mentioned gun, but did not have it on his person when the arguing was happening
Seems very possible mentioned gun, but did not have it on his person when the arguing was happening
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:39 am to ForeverLSU02
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I thought Hayes exited the vehicle with the gun?
Another important factor is whether Hayes simply had the gun in his pocket or was he waving the gun around in a threatening manner as soon as he got out.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:40 am to Fun Bunch
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Pulling out a gun is not a reasonable response under the law.
If Hayes pulled out a gun first, it is pretty much over.
so I can't pull out my gun if someone is beating me with their fist?
I can't warn them to back off with said gun?
and then if they (someone who has "Struck" me) say they are going get their gun, I should just lay down and take my medicine?
that is retarded fun bunch. not saying it happened this way but you don't know what happened either
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:40 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Explain?
If this is the sequence of events that is proven, Hayes is going to jail.
Easily. Open and shut.
Having two men approach your vehicle, one being a huge man, and the other with his shirt off acting crazy, would not put you in fear enough to grab your gun? If I am on the jury, I do not think grabbing your gun here is outlandish. Remember, he didnt shoot at this point.
I know you are an attorney, but I am a human being that would be on a jury. I would find it reasonable to grab your gun in this situation
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:40 am to lsupride87
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Seems very possible mentioned gun, but did not have it on his person when the arguing was happening
Or it could have been concealed.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:41 am to Nado Jenkins83
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did hayes grab his because will struck him?
Didn't he get out of the car with it?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:41 am to Fun Bunch
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Pulling out a gun is not a reasonable response under the law.
If two men were swinging at you (in this scenario), you can't pull a gun out? Not so sure about that but I'm not a lawyer.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:42 am to diat150
quote:This woman is a terrible witness for the prosecution.
John Simerman ?@johnsimerman 10s11 seconds ago
Daniels also saying she never mentioned Kevin O'Neal swinging at her husband. "I don't remember what I told the detective," she replies.
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John Simerman ?@johnsimerman 37s38 seconds ago
Daniels suggesting Dooley never mentioned in early police interview that she saw a vehicle following them. Dooley said she doesn't recall.
You wouldnt have told the detective that O'Neal swung at your husband? You wouldnt have told the detective you thought Hayes was following you?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:42 am to Chad504boy
frick you chad I had to look up what :waffling: meant 
The legal shite is hard enough to keep up with - stop using words I've never heard of
The legal shite is hard enough to keep up with - stop using words I've never heard of
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:42 am to TigahJay
Your husband at some point removes his shirt? D: Yes. You didn't tell the detective that did you? D: I'm not sure.
ohhh
ohhh
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:43 am to Mr. Hangover
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Didn't he get out of the car with it?
I'm still not clear that he did. nothing in this case has been proven yet
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:44 am to Nado Jenkins83
quote:The only thing that makes me doubt he did is the fact smith and Hernandez are willing to argue face to face angrily with a man with a gun?
I'm still not clear that he did. nothing in this case has been proven yet
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:44 am to Nado Jenkins83
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so I can't pull out my gun if someone is beating me with their fist?
Generally speaking, of course not.
If you LIFE is REASONABLY (hint, reasonableness has an objective, legal standard) in danger, such as what was argued in the Trayvon Martin case, then yes.
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Hayes life was reasonably in danger before he mentioned or took out a gun.
Hayes is an extremely large man. If Smith was on top of him pounding him then yes.
That didn't happen.
You can't pull out a gun because two guys are talking shite to you.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:45 am to Nado Jenkins83
Fair enough
Seems like it would have been mentioned IF Hayes had to walk back to his hummer to get it
Seems like it would have been mentioned IF Hayes had to walk back to his hummer to get it
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