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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:16 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:16 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Has anyone testified to seeing Hayes shoot smith?
Ross was 10ft away but has no other detail besides Will Smith didn't do anything to warrant getting shot
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Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:17 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:TESTIFIED.
He's never denied it as far as I'm aware. And isn't he on video/recording admitting to it?
My point is, the most important time sequence, the shooting, it seems like every witness so far has been focused on maniac mexican and o'neal.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:18 pm to lsupride87
I'm sure the lead investigator will tie it all together, including any confessions from Hayes, fingerprints on the gun, etc.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:18 pm to lsupride87
quote:
TESTIFIED.
My point is, the most important time sequence, the shooting, it seems like every witness so far ha been focused on maniac mexican and o'neal.
which i assume is why they just had an expert witness testify that the projectiles and shell casings came from the .45 they recovered from hayes
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:19 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Well if the only testimony of what happened right before the shooting is from hayes, it should be good for him
I'm sure the lead investigator will tie it all together, including any confessions from Hayes, fingerprints on the gun, etc
What I am getting at, is the defense has called multiple witnesses and provided evidence, yet they have not been able to provide anything on what smith or hayes was doing at the time of the shooting. Everyone was focused on the other people involved
ETA: Meant to say prosecution
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:20 pm to Ash Williams
quote:I am not trying to argue hayes didnt shoot smith.
which i assume is why they just had an expert witness testify that the projectiles and shell casings came from the .45 they recovered from hayes
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:21 pm to lsupride87
quote:
is the defense has called multiple witnesses and provided evidence
they haven't called anyone.
And you're basing this on a few tweets.
Always remember that. Being in a court room and hearing literally hours upon hours of testimony is a completely different story.
These things almost always seem messy until a good closing ties it all together.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:22 pm to lsupride87
quote:
yet they have not been able to provide anything on what smith or hayes was doing at the time of the shooting. Everyone was focused on the other people involved
well if they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that hayes is the one that shot smith, then smith's actions are really the most important since the defense attorney is arguing self defense
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:22 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:I means to say prosecution
they haven't called anyone
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:22 pm to Ash Williams
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:23 pm to lsupride87
quote:
I am not trying to argue hayes didnt shoot smith.
i know, but you're right that they still havent put hayes as the one that pulled the trigger with actual testimony yet
only people that heard the shooting, or saw hayes afterwards put the gun on the hood
im sure they'll eventually get a statement in of hayes admitting hes the shooter though
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:25 pm to Ash Williams
quote:Exactly. And the state has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that smith did not do anything that would have hayes reasonably fear for his life.
then smith's actions are really the most important since the defense attorney is arguing self defense
They havent yet IMHO
A. The state proved beyond a reasonable doubt Hayes did not have a reasonable fear
B. The defense proved beyond a reasonable doubt Hayes did have a reasonable fear
C. Neither
I am on C
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:25 pm to Ash Williams
quote:
then smith's actions are really the most important
Which is why they've put on the testimony they have.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:26 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
Danny Monteverde ?@DCMonteverde 30s30 seconds ago
State calling homicide Detective Bruce Brueggeman, lead detective on the case.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:27 pm to lsupride87
quote:
And the state has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that smith did not do anything that would have hayes reasonably fear for his life.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:27 pm to sealawyer
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I think there is a layer here you are missing.
If Smith did NOT shoot a gun, then if there is residue his hands were close to a gun that went off.
Bingo if WS aggressively went after Hayes and a struggle for the gun ensued and it went off then this would also explain quite a bit as well. It would also explain the gun powder residue on WS's hands.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:27 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:So you are arguing the burden of proof again?
Fun Bunch
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:27 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
i can stand witness to this fact.
you are way worse bud.
don't get this twisted
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:28 pm to lsupride87
question for those that have been following:
did O'neal testify that he HEARD smith say he was going get his gun?
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 12/8/16 at 4:28 pm to Ash Williams
quote:I dont think so. Not positive though
did O'neal testify that he HEARD smith say he was going get his gun?
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