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re: Why will St. George have to pay more for Sheriffs patrol just because they incorporate?
Posted on 9/27/19 at 10:04 pm to tLSU
Posted on 9/27/19 at 10:04 pm to tLSU
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In other words, Lakeview paid for the mere illusion of extra patrols while in reality the rest of the district benefited through redistribution of the regularly assigned units.
I suspect this is what the city of BR will say about their situation. They're paying the same rates to EBRSO but also provide their own police force. They'll say that they are subsidizing everyone else because EBRSO simply redistributes those deputies to unincorporated areas.
Of course, a good chunk of that money is for things other than patrolling, but they still won't be wrong.
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Posted on 9/28/19 at 6:26 am to BeepNode
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Why will St. George have to pay more for Sheriffs patrol just because they incorporate?
Hint: They wont.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 6:42 am to BeepNode
I’d love for them to reference what state law they are referring to that requires a police department for all municipalities
Posted on 9/28/19 at 7:49 am to LSUTigerFan247
So St George's biggest slogan is keep our money home. Yet you want city of BR residents to pay for your police force. Every single St George reason is so full of bullshite it's laughable. And all this for what? To be across Airline, like it's a magic gate away from all the things St George is really trying to get away from. It's all about money and power.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 7:59 am to Tigersonfire
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So St George's biggest slogan is keep our money home. Yet you want city of BR residents to pay for your police force. Every single St George reason is so full of bullshite it's laughable. And all this for what? To be across Airline, like it's a magic gate away from all the things St George is really trying to get away from. It's all about money and power.
The city of Baton Rouge doesn't pay for police for StG now. The area already pays EBRSO more to patrol more.
Why is wanting better schools bullshite? EBR schools are ranked in the 50s out of 60 something in a state DEAD last in education. So EBR schools are shite in the worst state already. Then you look over at Central and Zachary, with top 10 school districts in the state (Zachary is #1 FYI). Baton Rouge spends near double what some Texas ISDs do with zero results.
Every single TBR, Broome stick, etc reason is so full of bullshite it's laughable. You are right about one thing, it's all about money and power. Broome stick doesn't want to lose either but is about to lose both.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 8:51 am to rowbear1922
SG opponents are coming out the woodwork.
They are trying to scare folks now. The racist thing didn’t work.
We aren’t going to lose sheriff coverage, sewer service, water, drainage, parks or anything else; and hopefully down the road we will have a city to be proud of and our own ISD and EBR will be back on its feet.
They are trying to scare folks now. The racist thing didn’t work.
We aren’t going to lose sheriff coverage, sewer service, water, drainage, parks or anything else; and hopefully down the road we will have a city to be proud of and our own ISD and EBR will be back on its feet.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 10:30 am to Tigersonfire
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Yet you want city of BR residents to pay for your police force
Could you be any less informed. Let me break it down for you. The residents of the CITY of BR (an area of which the future SG is NOT a member), pay for the CITY police and the PARISH SHERIFF, of which they both have access to the services of. The residents in UNINCORPORATED NOT BATON ROUGE areas of the parish PAY FOR the CITY POLICE AND THE PARISH SHERIFF, but guess what? The CITY POLICE can't serve those people because they arent IN THE CITY in which they foot the public safety bill for. Repeat that and replace POLICE with FIRE DEPT and you get the same anwers.
CLIFFS: You have no idea what you are arguing.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 10:39 am to BeepNode
City of central pays EBRSO 100,000 extra a year to patrol central on top of the PD budget.
The Lawrason act requires an Incorporated area to do certain things, like have atleast a police chief. City's are required to provide protection, which is why places like central, sorrento.etc pay the sheriff's office for coverage. There is a requirement, but not sure of the level of that requirement
The Lawrason act requires an Incorporated area to do certain things, like have atleast a police chief. City's are required to provide protection, which is why places like central, sorrento.etc pay the sheriff's office for coverage. There is a requirement, but not sure of the level of that requirement
This post was edited on 9/28/19 at 10:43 am
Posted on 9/28/19 at 11:43 am to Tigersonfire
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Yet you want city of BR residents to pay for your police force
The unincorporated areas pay for 100% of the district attorneys office, coroner's office, and district court. There's plenty of give and take, and BR does way more of the taking.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 11:45 am to LSUTigerFan247
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Could you be any less informed. Let me break it down for you. The residents of the CITY of BR (an area of which the future SG is NOT a member), pay for the CITY police and the PARISH SHERIFF, of which they both have access to the services of. The residents in UNINCORPORATED NOT BATON ROUGE areas of the parish PAY FOR the CITY POLICE AND THE PARISH SHERIFF, but guess what? The CITY POLICE can't serve those people because they arent IN THE CITY in which they foot the public safety bill for.
Wrong on many levels.
EBRSO provides no police patrol coverage to the city of Baton Rouge with the tiny exception of any incidental overlap i.e. they're handling a call in Town Center (which is unincorporated) and are therefore providing a general presence in the vicinity of Corporate/Old Hammond at Jefferson which is inside the city of Baton Rouge. But EBRSO does not respond to calls for service or investigate crimes originating inside the city limits. Yet Baton Rouge residents pay property taxes to EBRSO and aren't receiving police coverage from deputies in return. Unincorporated St. George pays property tax to EBRSO and receives police coverage.
On the other hand, BRPD budget comes from the city-parish general fund which comes primarily from sales tax. Anyone paying sales tax to the parish is paying into the general fund which then pays for many city-parish financial obligations, one of which is city-parish government's responsibility to fund BRPD. BR residents pay sales tax into the general fund which then funds BRPD and they receive police coverage. Unincorporated St. George residents pay sales tax into the general fund which then funds BRPD but they don't receive coverage from BRPD.
This is a relatively strange setup stemming from the consolidated city-parish form of government, but there's a relative balance to it. City folk pay for deputies for non-city folk and non-city folk are paying sales tax to city cops.
St. George wants to incorporate to retain a portion of the sales tax. That's fine and I support that, but it creates an obvious imbalance where people outside St. George are still funding EBRSO's coverage of St. George but St. George no longer pays the same amounts into the city-parish general fund.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 11:53 am to BeepNode
quote:you call this living?
I live in Central
Posted on 9/28/19 at 12:53 pm to yellowfin
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I’d love for them to reference what state law they are referring to that requires a police department for all municipalities
It exists but only requires a police chief. So, you could have a police department that is just one guy and then continue to keep police protection the same. The problem is that the arrangement with EBRSO could potentially change in a way that results in paying more.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 12:55 pm to Huey Lewis
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the cities fund their own departments for police protection.
Negative ghostrider.
That’s how it’s supposed to work. In actuality, citizens of the areas outside of BR City subsidize city services like police and fire.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 1:00 pm to Huey Lewis
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This is a relatively strange setup stemming from the consolidated city-parish form of government, but there's a relative balance to it. City folk pay for deputies for non-city folk and non-city folk are paying sales tax to city cops.
Utter nonsense.
There is an extreme imbalance in revenue generated and services rendered between BR City and the unincorporated area to the tune of about $50 million per year.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 1:42 pm to Tigersonfire
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Yet you want city of BR residents to pay for your police force
no.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 1:48 pm to Tigersonfire
It’s about making the local money go to the local area it’s supposed to be. The majority of the proposed area has been horribly neglected so keep being greedy on taking the money from that area and putting it towards the other areas within the incorporated area. And you calling out St George people greedy for money and power is laughable. That’s exactly what the mayor wants is more money to fund her parts of the city.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 2:17 pm to MrJimBeam
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Posted on 9/28/19 at 2:17 pm to MrJimBeam
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The majority of the proposed area has been horribly neglected s
Really? It seems like a large chunk of all the infrastructure projects were in South Baton Rouge. Tons of extensions and widening projects. As far as police goes, I don't think EBRSO has been neglecting the SG area at all. What is making you say this stuff in the context of this thread?
It's not like we're talking about schools or libraries, which are completely separate things.
Posted on 9/28/19 at 2:27 pm to Antonio Moss
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Utter nonsense.
There is an extreme imbalance in revenue generated and services rendered between BR City and the unincorporated area to the tune of about $50 million per year.
If this weren't true, why would all of the city of baton rouge folks be objecting to the move? Out of their genuine concern for St. George residents?
Posted on 9/28/19 at 3:33 pm to BeepNode
Why doesn’t Central have to have its own police? Do they not have enough people?
All you have to do is read the below from article and know it’s completely biased.
Why should anyone outside of proposed city get to vote yea or nay on the issue (especially anyone from already incorporated areas within Parish)?
Anyone opposed to this that lives within city of Baton Rouge including the mayor should be supporting area becoming part of Baton Rouge - with votes not words. Whether or not SG area would support this doesn’t matter. It’s hypocritical for anyone in Baton Rouge for example to say someone must remain in status quo and not be allowed to incorporate like “we” are. It’s ignorance on part of anyone who doesn’t know SG is not leaving the city of BR as it’s not part of it or that it’s leaving EBR parish, and It’s shameful for anyone to take advantage of this ignorance instead of fixing it.
EBR City-Parish govt system and parish wide school districts are antiquated anyway and also don’t meet all their residents’ needs in current form. It seems city wants to stay chocolate while also keeping for city projects the $ received from those in SG area - outside of city limits. Anyone within city of BR with means actively opposing SG are just scared because they know the city will come at them for the $ they would no longer get to absorb from SG area to the point of running more off money & tax payers off to SG, Zachary, or Central.
All you have to do is read the below from article and know it’s completely biased.
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Granted, only registered voters within the proposed footprint of the city will be able to cast a ballot, thanks to legislative action earlier this year that prevented a parishwide vote on the issue.
Why should anyone outside of proposed city get to vote yea or nay on the issue (especially anyone from already incorporated areas within Parish)?
Anyone opposed to this that lives within city of Baton Rouge including the mayor should be supporting area becoming part of Baton Rouge - with votes not words. Whether or not SG area would support this doesn’t matter. It’s hypocritical for anyone in Baton Rouge for example to say someone must remain in status quo and not be allowed to incorporate like “we” are. It’s ignorance on part of anyone who doesn’t know SG is not leaving the city of BR as it’s not part of it or that it’s leaving EBR parish, and It’s shameful for anyone to take advantage of this ignorance instead of fixing it.
EBR City-Parish govt system and parish wide school districts are antiquated anyway and also don’t meet all their residents’ needs in current form. It seems city wants to stay chocolate while also keeping for city projects the $ received from those in SG area - outside of city limits. Anyone within city of BR with means actively opposing SG are just scared because they know the city will come at them for the $ they would no longer get to absorb from SG area to the point of running more off money & tax payers off to SG, Zachary, or Central.
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