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re: Why the hell is the Fed thinking about lowering interest rates?

Posted on 8/3/24 at 1:27 am to
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
2663 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 1:27 am to
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No they aren’t. People are still spending, spending, and spending like there’s no tomorrow. That’s why car dealerships can get away with selling Tahoes and trucks for $80,000.00. The price would go down significantly if people stopped being willing to pay that much for them. Nobody is willing to do without top of the line stuff and live simply today. Interest rates need to go higher because apparently we haven’t discouraged excessive spending yet.


The argument that this is based on historically high, out of control credit card spending is a myth. People are generally better off now than they have ever been financially.

Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
43235 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 5:41 am to
I always get a kick out of people that think we have a ‘free market’. We are centrally planned. The Fed just uses a carrot instead of a stick like China.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
32736 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 5:50 am to
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How? For my family of 3 at $350K/yr (all W2) in Texas, taxes sure in the hell increased. Capping SALT was a major difference since the home taxes in Texas are ridiculous, even though there is no state income tax.


Just further shows that those tax cuts were NOT focused on the high earners.
Posted by redneck hippie
Stillwater
Member since Dec 2008
6021 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 6:53 am to
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the same people will be broke no matter what the Fed does.


This is so true.
My grandfather gave me a simple three-word piece of advice when I was young. “Don’t be poor.”
It was his way of saying, work hard, save money, invest it wisely and don’t blame the mean old government for your problems
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
130208 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 8:13 am to
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don’t blame the mean old government for your problems


While true, back them the govt wasn't handing out free money to buy votes, or at least it was a significantly smaller scale.
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
11798 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 9:26 am to
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Also Poly Board...

Is there a plastics board?

*post less*
Posted by 9Fiddy
19th Hole
Member since Jan 2007
65497 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 9:29 am to
This is just another false flag leading to November. Oh look Joe dropped out and now that Kamala is running, the gas prices are down, the interest rates are coming down, etc. There will be more as we get closer to November, but it’s all smoke and mirrors to dupe the general public.
Posted by holmesbr
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since Feb 2012
3552 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 9:35 am to
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Like if you take a gummy and don't feel anything, so you take another one and suddenly they both kick in.


I have been recessed AF before for that reason.
Posted by TCO
Member since Jul 2022
3261 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 10:03 am to
Sir this board is reserved for titties and teachers
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
55504 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 11:41 am to
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Why the hell is the Fed thinking about lowering interest rates?


Short version: The data supports it.

Going a bit longer and deeper ( ):

Because JPow is trying to thread the eye of the needle and pull off a mythical "soft landing". Their hope is to bring down inflation with as little Unemployment as possible.

The federal government injected well over a trillion dollars of liquidity directly into the economy within a couple of months while simultaneously demanding people not work. This was always going to inflation, there was never any other way. Ever.

A major signal they have been looking for to begin considering phasing in cuts was for Unemployment to hit 4.2%. We just hit 4.3%. Along with that, they would need a significant belief Inflation was trending downward (otherwise we may have a stagflation scenario).

The reason for the 4.2% target is that with the continued low unemployment, they believe a move to that level of UE would mean enough excess liquidity had been drained from the economy that they could cut rates a quarter point without risking a return of inflation (again, assuming inflation was actually moving downward and not remaining sticky at/above 3%).

The problem is that they've misread this entire event from the start (remember how the inflation was only "transitory"?). I give them kudos for finally standing up to Wall Street and raising rates regardless of the market's demands and shitfit-throwing (for all but two -I think- rate increases, the market took a big dive because it was demanding no more increases), but what they've been doing is akin to using a wrench and a screwdriver to pound a nail into a piece of wood instead of a hammer. Their timidity has drawn (and will continue to draw) this affair our far longer than it needed to be. Had they raised rates faster, or at least gave another .25 at the end of 2023, we would likely already be cutting rates (or, at least, better positioned for them).

Instead we're still getting conflicting data where production costs are rising even while orders have dropped. GDP has been strong while Unemployment has been slowly increasing and inflation has been stubbornly clinging into the 3% region (although that may change this month, we'll see on the 14th - inflation data here is going to be pretty critical for deciding on a September cut).

The July and most of the August numbers should be in by the FOMC meeting in September. Those will give a clearer picture of what should be happening with rates. At this point, we're almost certain to get a .25 cut in September (anything more is just wishcasting).

August/September are Back-to-School months, so sales are usually strong. Many are trying to wish 3 cuts for 2024 into existence, but at this point in time a big part of that possibility is going to depend on what happens with those late-summer numbers. Remember, you don't cut rates when the economy is strong or you risk invigorating inflation.
This post was edited on 8/3/24 at 11:42 am
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
14435 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 12:05 pm to
I vote we go back to the barter system.
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
8789 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 9:34 pm to
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You lost me there. Trump tax cuts made a noticeable impact for our family, and we're as low middle class as they come


Your Trump tax cuts are expiring. Guess which ones are permanent?
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
38526 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 9:38 pm to
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the Fed should raise rates 25 bps


Why on earth would they do that? Are you retarded?
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
19831 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 10:14 pm to
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Family of four with joint income of $125k in Indiana.


Boy, that ain’t low middle class. Weird flex.

Median household income in Indianapolis is $60,000
Posted by WalkonQB
Member since Jun 2023
511 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 10:26 pm to
God bless you and your patience to explain it.
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