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re: Why the hell are there gators at Disney where small children are at?

Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:36 am to
Posted by GeauxColonels
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:36 am to
I, personally, have never had a desire to go near the water of the Seven Seas Lagoon....but I'm not the typical Disney tourist and have been many times. And I honestly do not recall ever seeing many people, if any, near or in the water of the lagoon on any of my trips there. BUT, when I can go to Google and find images similar to the one below, it's going to be terribly hard for Disney to fight any kind of lawsuit. One will be filed, no doubt in my mind, and Disney will settle...and we'll see changes to the beach areas at all resort hotels on property.

Posted by Speedy G
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:37 am to
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Steep Drop Off
Deep Water
No Swimming


Which in no way means 'stay out of the (shallow) water' or that walking or wading is prohibited. In fact, that suggests to me that you are permitted to walk into the water, just be careful b/c the grade is not consistent and the water gets deep suddenly and you could fall and drown even if it was just knee deep a step ago.

Nothing on that sign suggests there is any danger in the first few feet of water.
Posted by Bmath
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:37 am to
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not really sure why so many people keep harping on this...its a body of water! do people think gators think oh no that is man made I am not going in there?





Exactly. Gators will do pretty much whatever they want. Putting barriers in the water won't do much either considering they frequently go on land to move to new areas.
Posted by Argonaut
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:37 am to
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At 9:15 at night when you can barely see into the water? In a lake in Florida with "no swimming, steep drop off, deep water" signs all over the place?


How could anyone from Nebraska possibly be expected to know that? I'd never even heard of an alligator before this happened. I know about "Gators" from watching college football, but they're not really a threat to anyone but themselves.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:38 am to
look at all those parents putting their children in danger
Posted by Argonaut
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:38 am to
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I don't think that is the same area as I don't see the playground or any chairs/whatnot on that beach


Maybe they were removed for the search effort? Or prior to this happening. It's definitely the area if that picture of the kid playing there earlier is the same spot.
Posted by Bmath
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:41 am to
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Why have a beach that leads to water if there is no swimming!


Aesthetics. Disney is really big on theming.
Posted by YouAre8Up
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:43 am to
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Why the hell are there gators at Disney where small children are at? by SG_Geaux





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Disney was built in the middle of the swamp. There are probably over 1 million gators in Florida.


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If there is swamp, marsh, water, they will find their way to it.


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It is just that simple.
Posted by dewster
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:43 am to
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Nothing on that sign suggests there is any danger in the first few feet of water.


I'm sure that's enough for the lawyers.....but it's not going to change my opinion of the parents.

It's a body of water in Florida complete with signs that say "no swimming". They assumed risk when they went into the water with a 2 year old after dark.
This post was edited on 6/16/16 at 11:47 am
Posted by FLObserver
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Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:45 am to
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How could anyone from Nebraska possibly be expected to know that? I'd never even heard of an alligator before this happened. I know about "Gators" from watching college football, but they're not really a threat to anyone but themselves.

According to some in this thread the boy deserved it he was swimming out there family should have been holding his hand the whole time. Some of the photos prove that a kid playing next to the water is an easy target for a gator but how was a Neb. family suppose to know this. Don't think Disney includes that section on the brochure.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:46 am to
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It's the brain eating amoeba isn't it..


No. But they did tell us to avoid a lake in Orlando when I was in Elementary school because those damn amoeba would get in your ears and eat your brain.

I stayed out of that lake. It works. Just need Caution Amoeba signs.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:46 am to
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Aesthetics. Disney is really big on theming.


Yup.

Here's the design inspiration:



ETA, no gators in San Diego. Plenty of fish with big teeth, though.
This post was edited on 6/16/16 at 11:48 am
Posted by JombieZombie
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:47 am to
They should have had 'No Swimming' signs...
Posted by GeauxColonels
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:47 am to
Not that this will prevent a lawsuit or changes at Disney, but just read this quote from this article:

quote:

Demings added: “It is Florida and alligators are indigenous to this region of the country, but I want to reiterate that they have a wildlife management system that is in place. they have worked diligently” to keep visitors from being “unduly exposed.”

Disney’s alligator management Wiley, of the FWC, said, “Disney has been very proactive with regard to dealing with alligators… (Disney has) full time staff observing these waters. They have essentially an open system permit where anytime they see an alligator or a complaint is called, it (the alligator) can be taken out. These alligator are not relocated, they have to be euthanize because when they become a problem if you move them somewhere you’re just moving a problem.”

“Disney does everything by the book and they have an amazing system,” Wiley said. “They have routinely taken out alligators in the lakes and the property at large. I haven’t heard of any taken out recently.”

He said preventing the alligators from coming on to property is futile.
Posted by Speedy G
Member since Aug 2013
3911 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:47 am to
That looks like an oceanfront beach. There are no gators in the oceans off the coast of Florida, right? Are there lakes or other inland bodies of water in Florida that look like that with that much sand? If I am standing there, I am thinking I can behave like I would at the beach. I'd probably be more worried about sharks.
Posted by Paddyshack
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:48 am to
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Hard to blame people from Nebraska for not knowing about the possibility of alligators.

Seriously

I'm from Louisiana. If I go to the Amazon, you wouldn't blame me for not knowing about the anacondas or piranhas that are deadly and native to that region? I thought this was pretty basic stuff.
Florida = marsh = gators
Amazon = rainforest = anacondas/piranhas
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:49 am to
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If I am standing there, I am thinking I can behave like I would at the beach. I'd probably be more worried about sharks.


We are abandoning all expectation of common sense now.
Posted by madmaxvol
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:49 am to
Same reason there are snakes in the ground in Las Vegas or Sharks at Myrtle Beach...we've invaded their territory...not the other way around.
Posted by Salmon
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:50 am to
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I'm from Louisiana. If I go to the Amazon, you wouldn't blame me for not knowing about the anacondas or piranhas that are deadly and native to that region? I thought this was pretty basic stuff.


if you are staying in a world famous resort in Brazil and your kid walks 1 foot into some woods, are you to blame when it gets eaten by an anaconda?
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
102022 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:50 am to
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There are no gators in the oceans off the coast of Florida, right?


In don't know about Florida, but someone mentioned Mississippi. If anyone's ever been out to Ship Island, they hang out in the wave pools right on the beach there. I'm guessing there's got to be similar places in Florida. Hell, like around 30A with those coastal lakes right at the beach.
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