re: Why mass shootings are so polarizing

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How can we know the answer to this when we haven’t even tried any of the proposed solutions?

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Well first, this is flat out untrue. Tons of new processes, training, and capital investment has been instituted since Sandy Hook and Columbine.

And in my opinion, the biggest thing we can do to prevent more of this is to identify the behaviors that precede them and act accordingly.

Sandy Hook Promise agrees.

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5. Evidence is Mounting: Prevention Programs Save Lives 5. Evidence is Mounting: Prevention Programs Save Lives

In a landmark study, the United States Secret Service reported that since 2008, every school shooting that has been prevented was due to community members “coming forward when they observed behaviors that elicited concern.” In fact, more than 14 million students and educators have participated in our Know the Signs programs.

At least 269 lives have been saved through these programs. In fact, we have helped prevent more than 60 acts of violence with a weapon, including 6 planned school shootings. What’s more, our crisis counselors have prevented untold tragedies by helping at-risk youth with over 82,000 tips to our hotline through our Say Something Anonymous Reporting System.

In a landmark study, the United States Secret Service reported that since 2008, every school shooting that has been prevented was due to community members “coming forward when they observed behaviors that elicited concern.” In fact, more than 14 million students and educators have participated in our Know the Signs programs.

At least 269 lives have been saved through these programs. In fact, we have helped prevent more than 60 acts of violence with a weapon, including 6 planned school shootings. What’s more, our crisis counselors have prevented untold tragedies by helping at-risk youth with over 82,000 tips to our hotline through our Say Something Anonymous Reporting System.

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No, you didn’t. This is the only time you actually addressed my post. We’ve mostly just been bickering ever since:

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No. The right to self defense be it from invaders, criminals, or the government (but I repeat myself) is in no way comparable to the "right" to abortion. Every other beast on the planet will protect itself. Very few (any?) will kill their offspring for sport.

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Again, at no point did I argue that the positions are equal, or that if you believe one you must believe the other. What I said, is that the reason why the gun control issue is so polarizing is the same reason the abortion issue is so polarizing (with the added bonus of people just flat talking past one another): how their proponents frame the issues, and I listed off the reasons.

I think you should be able to buy an AR from a vending machine, and I ascribe to Walter Block’s eviction theory on abortion. I don’t consider the arguments in defense of either position to be in any way similar. But the way mainstream proponents frame the issues when they discuss them? Damned near identical.

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Why did you delete that giant spiel?

Well, you have the republicans who are against mass shootings and want to stop them and sympathize with the victims. Then you have the democrats who are for the mass shootings because they feel somehow its gonna get rid of the mean ole guns so they can subsequently run the country with an iron fist.

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I’ll go ahead a say it: we need a damn war to get involved in like WWII to remind us what’s important in life (not how you identify as he/she/they) and awake the collective spirit and unify the country.

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Damn what a weak mind.

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Why mass shootings are so polarizing

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I don’t have a solution but it is my belief that this is the result of a rotting, degenerate society that has no morals, no role models, no structure, no belief that we are united as a country.

We are told that it’s racist to have pride in who you are, what country you belong to. You are a bigot if you believe there are only males and female.

We are completely lost as a society it’s no surprise kids who are confused behave this way. America will die from a slow moral decay that results in us voting away our own rights

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I'm going to guess that you don't see any irony here

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it is my belief that this is the result of a rotting, degenerate society that has no morals, no role models, no structure,

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I'm not saying our political and economic system isn't screwed up with little hope of recovery so long as one person can stay in Congress for 50 straight years. It is, and we're probably fricked. I'm just always curious as to what era of morals posts like this are referring to?

In my opinion, we are living in the most moral society in human history. Don't get me wrong, we're still violent as hell as a species; but when was the last time you had to worry about your city getting sacked and your entire family being raped and murdered?

That was a legitimate threat for most people up until like 100 years ago. It didn't even become an enforceable crime until the Hague convention in 1899; and even then, "The Rape of Nanking" "The Rape of Berlin" and the complete and utter destruction of multiple Slavic towns during Operation Barbarossa are all examples of it occurring after the Hague Convention.

What is more immoral than sacking a town?

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Why mass shootings are so polarizing

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Because there is a section of the population that wants to blame an object and not the person. killers kill regardless of the tool. They find the easiest most vulnerable targets and go after them.

Until we address the killer, we are wasting time.