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re: Why is the job market so crappy right now?
Posted on 6/24/24 at 8:39 pm to HeadyMurphey
Posted on 6/24/24 at 8:39 pm to HeadyMurphey
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They also have to be told every single detail or they freeze. Then after 5 or so devs, they need a coordinator who can translate and hold their hand. They take 50 hours to identify something that can be fixed in 10 hours
LOL
I’ve had a little of my work transferred to a group in India. I’ve nodded my head and played along with our managers to make it seem ok, but damn it’s frustrating dealing with the India folks. They have no fricking common sense at all.
I try my best to let them do some work, but then I block them out of interacting with my key stakeholders and such because it’s embarrassing. The emails they send is cringeworthy.
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Posted on 6/24/24 at 8:53 pm to tiggerthetooth
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It seems to be far more hype than reality. Maybe some folks in tech have used it, but it has yet to replace hardly anyone at all.
It's a great tool. It's not going to replace people in any real scope.
And judging by the latest versions, it's hitting up against that wall of diminishing returns quickly, like every other technology that is going to replace software developers.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 8:58 pm to jcaz
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 6/24/24 at 9:03 pm to BabyTac
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If I see a resume for someone who doesn’t stay put for more than 4-6 years, I throw it in the trash.
While job hopping every 18 months consistently is a red flag, your threshold is absurdly high in the current market.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 9:07 pm to LSU Grad 2021
Two words for you
Pedo Joe
Pedo Joe
Posted on 6/24/24 at 9:08 pm to Porpus
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The price of offshore development has gone steadily up for at least 30 years. That brilliant idea of "hurr, durr, we can get Indians to do this" was had by tens of thousands of lazy management types all at once, and supply and demand took it from there.
Those guys suck, BTW. Software development is hard, and it isn't very compatible with non-US cultures. Even Europeans are pretty shitty at it.
This is the truth of it, they need to be told to do A B and C and exactly how to do each step. Then they still frick it up, so I've got to detail requirements, architecture, and make it paint by numbers easy. Then at the end of the day, I have to go fix what they did. Which is not typically a open the code up and fix a little bit. It's usually open the code, realize the whole thing is garbage, and redo it.
That's your C level money saving development approach.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 9:11 pm to LSU Grad 2021
My agency is paying 21 year old kids $74K/year just to go to the Academy. Top-out in 5 years is over $100K. Nobody's showing up to test.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 9:12 pm to TCO
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Unless you are in blue collar work, the unemployment rate is lower than you think.
Wait, you think the unemployment rate is lower than what people think? It gets corrected every quarter because it’s under reported.
And it’s not just “blue collar” jobs that are affecting unemployment. There are a bunch of professional jobs that are steadily downsizing.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 9:27 pm to LSU Grad 2021
There is a white collar recession.
I’m finding it very difficult to move out of financial services to corporate. And by all accounts (including as stated by recruiters) I’m an A+ level candidates
It’s very dejecting. But I’m luck (so far) in that my boss is letting me do a light work load and stick around for now (told him I want to do something else late last year).
I’m finding it very difficult to move out of financial services to corporate. And by all accounts (including as stated by recruiters) I’m an A+ level candidates
It’s very dejecting. But I’m luck (so far) in that my boss is letting me do a light work load and stick around for now (told him I want to do something else late last year).
Posted on 6/24/24 at 9:35 pm to BigBinBR
I said that arse backwards.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 9:38 pm to LSU Grad 2021
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All my tech friends who have 5+ years of programming experience now suddenly can't find work. They're now reduced to working for Best Buy or Starbucks while going on 5+ rounds of interviews. What the heck is going on in our country? I remember when you could walk into any place and ask for a job the day of
The tech companies that are doing well are buying others. It’s also an election year and no one wants to make a move because money is so tight.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 9:42 pm to kingbob
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the ability to work remotely is allowing big companies to offshore more work with less issues.
This is the biggest factor imo, American devs are becoming a rarity. Don’t work alongside to many, most of the teams are east of Africa.
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 6/24/24 at 10:13 pm to UAinSOUTHAL
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As someone in the industry any engineer interviewing at a FANNG or Fortune 500 it is minimum 4-5 interviews. Most other lower engineer jobs expect at least 3.
What? I’ve worked for two top 100 companies in the world and neither were 5 rounds.
Both sets basically went like this.
My first “interview” was a phone call asking what my schedule looked like and making sure they had the information on my application correct. The second “interview” was someone pretty much asking to go over my resume. And the third (real interview) was a panel.
I wouldn’t even call the first two rounds an interview.
Although both times they already knew who I was from my work history but I have never heard of 5 rounds of interviews.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 10:38 pm to tylerlsu2008
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It’s very dejecting. But I’m luck (so far) in that my boss is letting me do a light work load and stick around for now (told him I want to do something else late last year).
Dang, why did you tell him? And what do you do?
Posted on 6/24/24 at 11:29 pm to LSU Grad 2021
When the job market is crappy, liquor stores and mental hospitals are usually hiring
Posted on 6/25/24 at 12:34 am to Dairy Sanders
I don’t know about that. I had to go 4 rounds for my current job. I had to fly myself to Chicago twice for my first job. I interviewed for another company that had 5 interviews in one day.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 12:43 am to LSU Grad 2021
Is it? Amazon is doing a ton of hiring in BR
Posted on 6/25/24 at 1:28 am to PGAOLDBawNeVaBroke
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Two words for you Pedo Joe
Nope. Job markets get flooded, not enough jobs for everyone in certain fields after a boom in that field has petered out. I remember when my son graduated high school it was get a business degree and become ga lawyer and such to the point of that degree got you a job flipping burgers.
Engineering and construction degrees will get you a job in a heartbeat, or frickin welding and such.
There are plenty of jobs out there but these wimps today don’t want to get dirty.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 5:01 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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I say this with absolutely zero data to support it, but it seems like tech companies have been over hiring for the past few years and the effects (downsizing, limited openings, or hiring freezes) are being felt now.
Here's some data.
My current organization peaked at 170 people. Right now we're just below 100, and oddly enough today we're cutting 20 more.
My previous organization peaked at 65, and in one phone call we reduced to 25, ultimately getting as lean as 16.
These are both cash flow negative VC backed startup organizations.
The tech market is tight right now because customers are tighter with their money, have higher expectations in a good products, and most early stage tech companies poorly price their product, typically too cheap.
AI has nothing to do with this.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 5:22 am to thegreatboudini
I do recruiting for many different industries at multiple levels. A huge percentage of the resumes we get are spam or people that obviously did not read the posting. Also resumes are poorly constructed and do not highlight their best attributes. IT resumes are the worst. I literally got a resume that was 13 pages long from one person. I couldn't skim it either, as he had stuff sprinkled throughout.
Also job hopping is too accepted nowadays. I speak with people all the time, 10+ years into their career, that have never worked a job longer than a year. Plus they will have tons of gaps. How is that appealing to an employer? They all say that they want long term security, but will jump to another company for less than a 10% bump. It's a hard sell..
Also job hopping is too accepted nowadays. I speak with people all the time, 10+ years into their career, that have never worked a job longer than a year. Plus they will have tons of gaps. How is that appealing to an employer? They all say that they want long term security, but will jump to another company for less than a 10% bump. It's a hard sell..
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