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Why is the government suddenly going so hard after vaping?
Posted on 10/3/19 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 10/3/19 at 3:59 pm
Seems like relatively recently this became a crisis?
This post was edited on 10/3/19 at 4:29 pm
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Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:00 pm to weagle99
Big Tobacco
Not because Big Tobacco wants people to stop vaping(the biggest investors in vaping are big tobacco companies) but more so to eliminate the mom & pop and internet competition. Big tobacco can survive 3-4 month bans, the smaller vendors can not.
I've never bought into the notion that vaping is not bad for you, but to ban it is stupid.
Not because Big Tobacco wants people to stop vaping(the biggest investors in vaping are big tobacco companies) but more so to eliminate the mom & pop and internet competition. Big tobacco can survive 3-4 month bans, the smaller vendors can not.
I've never bought into the notion that vaping is not bad for you, but to ban it is stupid.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:00 pm to weagle99
It’s only one letter away from raping.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:00 pm to The Funnie Five
Trump taking that big tobacco directive.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:01 pm to weagle99
Big Tobacco isn’t going away without a fight.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:01 pm to weagle99
Because there’s no laws when you’re drinking the ‘claws
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:03 pm to Ghost of Colby
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Big Tobacco isn’t going away without a fight.
Phillip Morris is a major player in vaping. But they need to clear the field. The problem is no one buys these mass produced vaping products sold at gas stations, they go to their local vape shop and buy customized products locally.
Phillip Morris wants vaping to be a mass market, mass produced item like cigarettes are. The biggest threat to this model is the local mom and pop vaping store. So what they do is get politicians all riled up about vaping and propose temporary bans on vaping until "we can figure out what is going on". These temporary bans will cripple most local mom and pop vape shops. Then politicians will craft legislation on vaping to a certain set of standards that raise the barriers of entry so only mega corporations can get in on the action and afford to produce the product inspite of the red tape and regulations.
That is what its all about
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:04 pm to weagle99
Deeming regulations. It's a joke. I like to smoke quality pipe tobacco. The Deeming regulations are trying to regulate cigar and pipe tobacco sales online. Luckily I have a ton of pipe tobacco jarred and stored.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:06 pm to The Funnie Five
A lot of the mom and pop shops are going underground
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:07 pm to weagle99
I dont know, but it's a good move for me and mine.
Governor will announce soon, in Oregon that all flavored cartridges will be outlawed.
..since what I'm associating with is strain specific, full spectrum 100% plant..
Good position to be in.
ETA
I'm gonna drive my Gallardo by your houses at 3am and rack my pipes.
Governor will announce soon, in Oregon that all flavored cartridges will be outlawed.
..since what I'm associating with is strain specific, full spectrum 100% plant..
Good position to be in.
ETA
I'm gonna drive my Gallardo by your houses at 3am and rack my pipes.
This post was edited on 10/3/19 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:07 pm to The Funnie Five
This is spot on.
It is happening in the cigar business, too, but not outright bans. In the cigar business, the FDA is enforcing or writing "deeming rules" and in some cases making companies go back through the approval process, which costs thousands of dollars, for "new" blends.
They are trying to, or have made this retroactive for 7 years. So anything newer than 7 years, that has not gone through the approval process may have to submit.
For "boutique" or mom-and-pop brands, this will effectively make their costs to bring new blends to market or go through the process for extant blends so prohibitive it will put everyone out of business before long except for General Cigars and Altadis.
Fortunately, there are many in Congress willing to sponsor legislation to exempt cigars from the rules which are really written for cigarettes.
It is happening in the cigar business, too, but not outright bans. In the cigar business, the FDA is enforcing or writing "deeming rules" and in some cases making companies go back through the approval process, which costs thousands of dollars, for "new" blends.
They are trying to, or have made this retroactive for 7 years. So anything newer than 7 years, that has not gone through the approval process may have to submit.
For "boutique" or mom-and-pop brands, this will effectively make their costs to bring new blends to market or go through the process for extant blends so prohibitive it will put everyone out of business before long except for General Cigars and Altadis.
Fortunately, there are many in Congress willing to sponsor legislation to exempt cigars from the rules which are really written for cigarettes.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:12 pm to The Funnie Five
Agreed but the crazy thing is all these deaths and illnesses are people buying bootleg THC vapes. From what I’ve read a lot of them are due to vitamin E oil instead of propylene glycol because its a few bucks cheaper per gallon. Also a lot of them tested apparently had some sort of fungicide present in them that when burned turned into Hydrogen Cyanide which was used as a chemical weapon some in WWI.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:13 pm to weagle99
Because some people died from doing it. The government cares about getting to the truth & protecting people.
No seriously, I have no idea. Tobacco companies own these vaping companies right?? I first thought they were behind it, but it's not in the best interest in some group or industry that spends a lot of money on lobbyist. That's how this works.
No seriously, I have no idea. Tobacco companies own these vaping companies right?? I first thought they were behind it, but it's not in the best interest in some group or industry that spends a lot of money on lobbyist. That's how this works.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:14 pm to weagle99
Big tobacco wants Blue and Juul to be the only options, basically. Those are the ones they have invested in and that can survive a shutdown.
They know they can win with the media and politicians in their back pocket going "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!"
And it's clearly working, look at the responses on this board on any of the vaping stories. It's pretty disturbing how easy it is to emotionally manipulate people into regulation.
They know they can win with the media and politicians in their back pocket going "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!"
And it's clearly working, look at the responses on this board on any of the vaping stories. It's pretty disturbing how easy it is to emotionally manipulate people into regulation.
This post was edited on 10/3/19 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:15 pm to weagle99
Money
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:17 pm to weagle99
All of a* sudden...
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:18 pm to OweO
quote:
Because some people died from doing it. The government cares about getting to the truth & protecting people.
No seriously, I have no idea. Tobacco companies own these vaping companies right?? I first thought they were behind it, but it's not in the best interest in some group or industry that spends a lot of money on lobbyist. That's how this works.
Why post all this? Why post anything at all?
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:19 pm to MLCLyons
Fake THC vape carts are coming from china. Thanks biden!
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:23 pm to weagle99
Honestly I'm amazed the flavored stuff was allowed to go on so long.
But yeah it's big guys pushing out the little guys while making it look like everybody is fricked
But yeah it's big guys pushing out the little guys while making it look like everybody is fricked
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:25 pm to weagle99
To be fair, the FDA gave flavored vaping a big hell no, after testing revealed it could get really bad, and the unknowns were way too much. But Odummy and his ilk were bought off by lobbyists, and not only did the FDA get forced to back off, Odummy and his crew tried to destroy and hide all kinds of evidence and test studies that showed the shite could really be bad.
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