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Why is medical / insurance billing so complicated?
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:19 am
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:19 am
Not talking about a multi-week hospital visit, just easy stuff.
Back in April, one of the kids wasn't feeling well, so we did a virtual dr visit. The doc said to go to one of their clinics (it's a huge New Orleans area medical group that has four initials) and get a urine test. So we go, sample collected, I try to pay them, they say, we will send you a bill.
Yesterday, 5 months later, I get a bill which shows the amount I am owed after insurance. It's less than $30. I understand they have to bill the insurance company, who has to process the claim, and send it back, and then they have to bill us for the difference. But 5 months? For a urine test?
This morning I go online to pay the bill, put in my account info, and am shown an amount due that is exactly $25 more than what was on the bill I got yesterday. No other information about the balance is provided. So I call. Turns out, my other kid went to an after hours clinic last SEPTEMBER, a year ago, and a co-pay wasn't collected at the time. They sent out the bill for that on Thursday last week, so it was on their system, but I guess it hasn't arrived yet in the mail. That can't entail much more than a typical office visit.
I did check my bank records to see if I paid them anything around last September, and I did not, so it's probably a legit bill.
Our system is insanely, absuredly complex and full of bureaucratic BS. The amount of money that must be wasted every year has to be mind-blowing. Plus, the cash flow issues for the medical group.
I'm sure a government system would somehow be far worse, so that's not the answer. But for basic medical care, no hospital stay, just tests and urgent care visits, there has to be a better way, right?
Back in April, one of the kids wasn't feeling well, so we did a virtual dr visit. The doc said to go to one of their clinics (it's a huge New Orleans area medical group that has four initials) and get a urine test. So we go, sample collected, I try to pay them, they say, we will send you a bill.
Yesterday, 5 months later, I get a bill which shows the amount I am owed after insurance. It's less than $30. I understand they have to bill the insurance company, who has to process the claim, and send it back, and then they have to bill us for the difference. But 5 months? For a urine test?
This morning I go online to pay the bill, put in my account info, and am shown an amount due that is exactly $25 more than what was on the bill I got yesterday. No other information about the balance is provided. So I call. Turns out, my other kid went to an after hours clinic last SEPTEMBER, a year ago, and a co-pay wasn't collected at the time. They sent out the bill for that on Thursday last week, so it was on their system, but I guess it hasn't arrived yet in the mail. That can't entail much more than a typical office visit.
I did check my bank records to see if I paid them anything around last September, and I did not, so it's probably a legit bill.
Our system is insanely, absuredly complex and full of bureaucratic BS. The amount of money that must be wasted every year has to be mind-blowing. Plus, the cash flow issues for the medical group.
I'm sure a government system would somehow be far worse, so that's not the answer. But for basic medical care, no hospital stay, just tests and urgent care visits, there has to be a better way, right?
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:22 am to LSUFanHouston
Government
(and lawyers)
(and lawyers)
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:24 am to LSUFanHouston
Insurance has always confused me, always will. I feel like the biggest dummy on the planet when I have to talk to medical/ insurance people.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:25 am to LSUFanHouston
In the old days you could have paid for that urine test with a chicken. Hell, probably just a donzen eggs even. On the spot. In and out.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:27 am to LSUFanHouston
1. Government
2. The more complicated it is the less people understand it (insurance company employees are regularly wrong about their own coverage). Thus allowing more payments by customers/patients, and less paid out to Dr's offices
2. The more complicated it is the less people understand it (insurance company employees are regularly wrong about their own coverage). Thus allowing more payments by customers/patients, and less paid out to Dr's offices
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:29 am to OysterPoBoy
quote:
Insurance
But ya'll blame the lawyers. We need lawyers to keep insurance honest. downvote away.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:29 am to LSUFanHouston
I worked with that stuff for several years, and these were the things that really made me roll my eyes:
1) People with secondary and tertiary insurance. Should be illegal to bogart coverage in this manner, in my opinion.
2) Palmetto GBA is a bunch of pricks. A lot of the BC/BS orgs are right up there, too. Other private insurers were a joy to deal with in comparison.
3) Weirdness around rate negotiation between providers and insurers. There was one point where we had to turn away anyone with a specific stamp on their insurance card because it meant that we'd get a letter telling us, "Surprise! You just agreed to the following schedule of fees!" if we filed a claim.
1) People with secondary and tertiary insurance. Should be illegal to bogart coverage in this manner, in my opinion.
2) Palmetto GBA is a bunch of pricks. A lot of the BC/BS orgs are right up there, too. Other private insurers were a joy to deal with in comparison.
3) Weirdness around rate negotiation between providers and insurers. There was one point where we had to turn away anyone with a specific stamp on their insurance card because it meant that we'd get a letter telling us, "Surprise! You just agreed to the following schedule of fees!" if we filed a claim.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:32 am to Centinel
quote:
Government
(and lawyers)
For a urine test?
I understand government and lawyers driving up the cost... I'm fine with the cost.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:34 am to LSUFanHouston
It's a scam
They make it as confusing as possible so you just pay your bill and say F it.
I remember when we had our son - We received bills from Dr's I had never heard of, probably 7-8 different ones.
They make it as confusing as possible so you just pay your bill and say F it.
I remember when we had our son - We received bills from Dr's I had never heard of, probably 7-8 different ones.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:36 am to sodcutterjones
quote:
Insurance has always confused me, always will. I feel like the biggest dummy on the planet when I have to talk to medical/ insurance people.
I'm a CPA, I deal with numbers every day. I deal with complicated financial transactions every day.
There has to be a reason to intentionally make this more confusing than it needs to be. A urine test is not a complex transaction.
There is a fee, there is a write-off, and I paid the difference (because my deductible has not yet been met, and our BCBS policy has lab fees going against deductible).
The amount I paid is less than 20 percent of the charge, more than 80 percent was the contractual write-off. These "charges" are about as realistic as the "rack rate" for a shirt at JCPenney or Kohls. It's a completely fake number.
I would have gladly just paid the $30 bucks to the proivder at the time of service, and saved everyone the hassle, but of course they have to file the claim so it goes against my deductible.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:47 am to Motorboat
quote:
But ya'll blame the lawyers. We need lawyers to keep insurance honest. downvote away.
Lawyers aren't necessarily needed
What we need are transparent billing practices by Hospitals and medical practitioners.
This post was edited on 9/16/20 at 9:48 am
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:49 am to LSUFanHouston
Just wait till our overlords graciously give us government ran healthcare!!
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:19 am to Oilfieldbiology
Actually because of personal injury lawsuits
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:22 am to The Torch
Insurance companies are about making money. Physicians are about msking money. Hospitals are about making money.
It is to their advantage to keep health care complicated
It is to their advantage to keep health care complicated
This post was edited on 9/16/20 at 10:40 am
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:23 am to LoneStar23
My wife worked for a Cardiology group with 5 Drs.and about 20 office staff(nurses,NP’s and echo tech).Their billing department had 12 employees .It’s a big reason health care is so expensive.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:48 am to LSUFanHouston
Several of you have taken the opportunity to criticize the insurance industry when they clearly have no responsibility for this issue. Its clear the medical clinic has issues in its billing department. There were either issues with the initial billing to the health insurer or a failure on the clinic to properly and timely manage its co payment collections.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:58 am to LSUFanHouston
It is easier to hide the ball that way.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 11:18 am to LSUFanHouston
Insurance/doctors billing is one of the few things thats worse than government programs.
The drs jack their rates up because they know the insurance is going to take something off. The insurance company claims success because they negotiated a large discount.
I can buy any medical supplies cheaper on Amazon than the insurance rate.
The drs jack their rates up because they know the insurance is going to take something off. The insurance company claims success because they negotiated a large discount.
I can buy any medical supplies cheaper on Amazon than the insurance rate.
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