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re: Why don’t people know SCOTUS Roe vs Wade reversal is NOT about abortion rights?
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:36 am to DawgCountry
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:36 am to DawgCountry
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You support r
Now you are making shite up to try to deflect. Liar.
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Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:37 am to TBoy
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So you come from the philosophical foundation that people have no rights.
Precisely the opposite. You come from the anti-philosophical foundation of sand that rights are granted by government, be it judicial, legislative, executive, state or federal. You said it. I quoted and bolded it. And you and your alts and fellow bots raiding this board downvoted it. Pathetic.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:37 am to TBoy
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America was founded on the premise that government has no power at all except as granted by the people. Show me where the people granted to the state or federal government the right to regulate our private sexual and reproductive rights and our discussion can begin.
Perhaps it doesn’t rest with the states, but the ruling was from the highest federal court and it found that it wasn’t the place of the feds. The 10th covers this:
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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people
Show me where the power to regulate abortion is delegated to the US in the constitution
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:40 am to Dawgfanman
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Show me where the power to regulate abortion is delegated to the US in the constitution
It isn’t given to anyone. It is a power of the people.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:44 am to TBoy
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Show me where the people granted to the state or federal government the right to regulate our private sexual and reproductive rights and our discussion can begin.
Flimsy premise aside, “the people” elected the local politicians that are creating these regulations. So I guess that answers your question.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:44 am to TBoy
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It isn’t given to anyone. It is a power of the people.
Good. Then you should be happy with the current ruling.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:44 am to TBoy
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It isn’t given to anyone. It is a power of the people
Right. Which is why the federal govt has no place regulating it like it did in Roe. Where did the federal govt get the power to create rules for states on when an abortion could be done in all cases, when it could do it for maternal health but not fetal health or when it could be prohibited? Sounds like you are arguing that Roe was a bad decision since it was the feds regulating abortion.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:46 am to TBoy
As usual, your position begs the very question being asked, substantively.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:47 am to Dawgfanman
Can you be Republican and pro choice because I think that’s me.
Without abortion just imagine how many more mouths our tax dollars will have to feed.
Without abortion just imagine how many more mouths our tax dollars will have to feed.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:48 am to TBoy
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So you come from the philosophical foundation that people have no rights. That being a human confers no fundamental rights. That your very right to life is only if it is granted by positive law.
Do you believe human beings have a fundamental right to life? I would think most on the pro-life side do, in fact, feel that humans have a basic right to their own life.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:50 am to tigercraig
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Can you be Republican and pro choice because I think that’s me.
I hate abortion, but it should be an individual choice IMO in the early stages.
If Democrats would have never kept trying to expand it until post birth, this shite never would have happened.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:51 am to tigercraig
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Can you be Republican and pro choice because I think that’s me. Without abortion just imagine how many more mouths our tax dollars will have to feed.
Of course. You can be anti Roe and pro choice. Roe v Wade was a bad decision. The federal govt has claimed the rights that should rest with the states or with the people for too long. Roe is but one example. The Republic died long ago, we live in a weird type of federal dictatorship. The necessary and proper and Interstate commerce clauses are also big issues. The 10th hasn’t been respected or considered for a century or more until recently.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:53 am to Dawgfanman
While I am ok with early abortion, we all know the truth.
Most women who get abortions do it because they are irresponsible.
Most leaders who push for abortion do it on the basis of Eugenics, and want to eradicate poor children.
Most women who get abortions do it because they are irresponsible.
Most leaders who push for abortion do it on the basis of Eugenics, and want to eradicate poor children.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:03 am to RogerTheShrubber
You say this, but I guarantee you claim that Dems favor open borders so they can change the demographics in their favor. So which is it?
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:15 am to KLSU
I mean, if you live in a state like Louisiana or Texas where an abortion ban is set to immediately go into effect upon Roe v. Wade’s overturn, then it kinda is. Folks in those states no longer have a right to an abortion, and many are understandably upset by this.
Abortion is not a cut and dry issue and is divisive and emotionally charged for good reason.
Abortion is not a cut and dry issue and is divisive and emotionally charged for good reason.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:17 am to lostinbr
quote:The question is why must it be a hard line in any case. It is a fuzzy topic by your own admission.
Because that line determines the boundary between a medical decision affecting one person and murder.
quote:That's more of a universal line, isn't it? Isn't that where government recognizes a person?
If the counter-argument is “yeah but abortion is obviously different because the baby hasn’t been born yet” then you are effectively still arguing for the government to set that line.. at birth.
And to be clear, I am *not* advocating for abortion up until birth, or even third trimester abortions. I am not advocating for abortion at all, the thought of it makes me ill. The only thing I take issue with here is government regulating morality and encroaching on private life. Roe was a bit of a block against that, but now we are subject to bigger government.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:25 am to TBoy
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This thread is full of people who believe that as humans they start with no rights of any kind and that government is all powerful, to the point that all rights must be granted by positive grant of government.
The guy who said this is fuming mad that the federal government was found to lack the power to positively grant the right to abortion. I don't believe I've seen a more nonsensical argument in my life. This guy is so mixed up the only thing he knows for sure is he is supposed to be mad right now.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:31 am to sabes que
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but I guarantee you claim that Dems favor open borders
You do.
Because, communism. You need poor people who have little hope. People don't buy your fairy tales unless desperate or delusional.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
But you just said people that favor abortion(largely Democrats) are trying to eradicate poor people. So which is it? Do they want more or less poor people?
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:43 am to TBoy
Jesus Christ.
Is this what your people at Democratic Underground told you to argue?
Is this what your people at Democratic Underground told you to argue?
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