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re: Why do we have to "have a dialogue" on race?

Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:26 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:26 pm to
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Just don't put up the self-persecution flag when you come back about it.


No one wants dialogue. Everyone wants to be heard, they don't want to listen. Everyone.
Posted by Landmass
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Member since Jun 2013
26056 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:31 pm to
Can't we just acknowledge that there are different groups? That's reality. Not only racial groups but cultural groups, religious groups, etc. Even though someone is in a different group, we should treat them with kindness and respect across the board.

If someone is mean to me I think they are simply an a-hole but some folks don't see that person is simply an a-hole, they interpret it as racism. Maybe that is what needs to be learned... the hyper sensitivity of one side causing a lot of the problems that we see today.
Posted by PairofDucks
Member since Jul 2016
4992 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:32 pm to
The past 8 years was a great opportunity to foster an honest discussion on race relations in the US. However, that discussion never materialized because politicians found it to be more advantageous to treat race issues as a political football.

We're worse off now than we were 8 years ago. That will be Obama's legacy.

Posted by JOJO Hammer
Member since Nov 2010
12457 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:35 pm to
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You hear it all the time. We have to talk about race. We have to have an open dialogue about race... why? First off, there's no such thing as an open dialogue on this subject unless you are defending one side and alienating the other. That is the only dialogue that is accepted. Secondly, it seems like we should concentrate on treating everyone the same. Somehow, I don't think that equality is the point.


This just means white people need to admit that they are evil. And all problems with minorities are created by the white devils.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:38 pm to
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What is inequitable in 2016? Racially speaking.


affirmative action

For example that shitass leading the U of Missouri protests last year, whose daddy makes $8 MILLION a year, would get preferential treatment in all sorts of areas over a white kid who grew up in a trailer in BFE Mississippi.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41600 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:41 pm to
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What is inequitable in 2016? Racially speaking.


I think the biggest thing is education. Inner-city schools. They suffer from two problems - one is the ineffective school boards which are robbing the schools blind, the second is the lack of a support system at home.

The problem is... those two issues require vastly different solutions.

I see this a lot in my profession. Our professional association has a goal to have our profession "look like America" - so roughly half male/female, and roughly 20% minority.

Among worker bees we are there male/female, and minority... about halfway there. Problem is... we can't get more black people to become CPAs. Most of them can not get into the good colleges. Some get into SUNO and the like, and then they can't pass the exam.

On the other hand... the odds of a black person who gets their license progressing to firm ownership is much smaller than a white person, of equal talent.

Again... different issues... different solutions.
Posted by blucollarskolar
Member since Sep 2014
299 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:43 pm to
I don't disagree with you at all. But until everyone treats everyone with kindness and respect the current situation is what we have.

As to the "super sensitivity", that problem is across the board in all aspects of our lives these days. Not just race. Anything you say or do could make someone butt hurt and blow it out of proportion. Hell, people get pissed off at at someone over a random post on social media.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:44 pm to
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I think the biggest thing is education. Inner-city schools. They suffer from two problems - one is the ineffective school boards which are robbing the schools blind, the second is the lack of a support system at home.



Schools are byproducts of the student, not the reverse. Good students make good schools and good teachers.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41600 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:46 pm to
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Schools are byproducts of the student, not the reverse. Good students make good schools and good teachers.


That is part of it.

Part of it is having teachers who care. Part of it is having a safe environment, with functional equipment and books and supplies.

When you are in a dirty rundown school with torn books, no toilet paper, and union teachers who are just collecting a check... that's not good.
Posted by ATL-TIGER-732
ATL
Member since Jun 2013
2291 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:48 pm to
It's like a woman trying to talk to a man about feelings........
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
12171 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:48 pm to
This thread is racist
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
117061 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:49 pm to
We don't have to, and we can't.

For militants, "dialogue" means shut your cracker mouth and do what I say.
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:50 pm to
quote:

What is inequitable in 2016? Racially speaking.

quote:


I think the biggest thing is education. Inner-city schools. They suffer from two problems - one is the ineffective school boards which are robbing the schools blind


The boards which are full of black people from the community.

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the second is the lack of a support system at home.


Which are black parents.

Look, I'm not saying you're wrong about the issues themselves, but blaming those problems on race instead of the people involved is nothing but a red herring from people too fricking scared to try to improve their lives for fear they might fail.
Posted by AUTimbo
Member since Sep 2011
3372 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:54 pm to
quote:

The past 8 years was a great opportunity to foster an honest discussion on race relations in the US. However, that discussion never materialized because politicians found it to be more advantageous to treat race issues as a political football.


Nailed it
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41600 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:58 pm to
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The boards which are full of black people from the community.


This is true. Black people are stealing from their own race much more than white people are.

Same can be said for females. I can't tell you how many females I know, that work for a female boss, who they think is an awful dog, and from I can tell, they are correct.

quote:

but blaming those problems on race instead of the people involved is nothing but a red herring from people too fricking scared to try to improve their lives for fear they might fail.


Here's the reality. A black kid from the inner city, the odds of him getting the same education as a white kid from the burbs, are slim and none. We all know this.

I don't think we need to spend MORE money here. We spend plenty. We just need to do a better job of making sure it gets where it needs to go.

But there is a racial inequality there... and fixing it is gonna be very hard.
Posted by Redbone
between St. Amant and Port Vincent
Member since Sep 2012
20738 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:59 pm to
Anyone that says they want to have a dialogue is really saying they want to tell others what they expect and then those that were being told are supposed to go out and do as instructed.
Posted by The Quiet One
Former United States
Member since Oct 2013
12169 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 8:05 pm to
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Why do we have to "have a dialogue" on race?


This is code for "Let's tell white people why they're wrong just for being white people."

When they pulled this stuff in the military, I just zombie'd out for the mandatory time I had to be there, whether it was about race, religion, sexual harassment, sexual preference, etc. Substitute "white" for "heterosexual" or "Christian" as the topic requires and the code remains the same.

It's inherently racist/sexist/anti-Christian, but you get shouted down for stating the obvious.
Posted by Alltheway Tigers!
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
8078 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 8:38 pm to
We have "the dialogue" to keep the hate alive.

There is money in hate.
Posted by Lucky5150
B.S.L.
Member since Jun 2016
1557 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 9:19 pm to
ObamaNation
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 9:27 pm to
The people who say that shite don't mean it. If they ever got into an "honest discussion about race" they would get triggered within about eighty seconds of somebody bringing up inconvenient truths about it.
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