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re: Why do we buy formula for people on the dole?
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:13 am to SidewalkDawg
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:13 am to SidewalkDawg
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You're advocating for tyranny, you realize this right?
yeah his willingness to give government 100% power with no checks is pretty frightening
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 8:14 am
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:15 am to fr33manator
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No, you start by taking malnourished babies from unfit mothers, sterilizing the mothers and cutting off their benefits, and raising the babies in a place where they learn and grow in a healthy environment, eventually producing productive citizens.
Even if I'd agree with you in this regard, and I'm not sure I do...are you advocating more government intervention into parenting? You sure about that, or is this one of those times when government involvement is good so long as you agree with it, but would be bad when some other group gets in power and decides they need to start removing children from parents who believe XYZ instead of ABC? Do you still advocate that if you're in group XYZ?
Seems a slippery slope...
In no way am I suggesting there's not a problem or that getting in early and helping children born into terrible situations is not essentially what needs to happen to break the cycle...the question is HOW without overbearing governmental intrusions.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:20 am to lsunurse
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So add even more babies to the already overwhelmed foster care system? Who exactly is gonna raise these babies?
I'm not talking about foster care.
I'm talking about diverting funds from some of these money pits and building proper children's crèches. Instead of paying unfit single parents to "raise" them in places that will only foster negativity and bad behaviour and gangs and drugs and face tattoos and bastards, you take them out of that environment.
You place them somewhere they are fed 3 square healthy meals a day. You have gardens there where they work as they get older. They milk cows and feed chickens. They learn to be as self sufficient as possible.
As the grow their aptitudes are assessed and they are sent to the best places for their particular skills. Maybe they learn martial skills, or the higher sciences or a skilled trade.
If left in their original environment, you will pay for them anyway. Through being on the dole, or cranking out babies, or in prison. Net drains on society.
In my proposed environment you are raising up productive citizens with life experience and positive role models and skills.
You will pay for them either way, but I offer a net positive that will pay dividends.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:21 am to fr33manator
this ain't the fight you want.
Let it go.
WIC is a very well ran program and if food stamps and welfare was ran anywhere near as efficient as WIC we'd all be in a much better place.
Let it go.
WIC is a very well ran program and if food stamps and welfare was ran anywhere near as efficient as WIC we'd all be in a much better place.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:21 am to Phideaux
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Social and cultural issues tied to breast feeding exist and another reason women do not do it.
What social and cultural issues are tied to breastfeeding?
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:22 am to fr33manator
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Scientists and super soldiers and craftsmen.
Orphanages have a great track record churning these out, so this plan is foolproof
Also lol at this board's obsession with going into a trade
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:23 am to Benne Wafer
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Some babies don't take to breastfeeding very well.
This is a bullshite excuse used by lazy moms. 100 years ago I bet nearly 95% of babies were breastfed. Now I bet it's closer to 50%.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:25 am to fr33manator
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I'm not talking about foster care.
I'm talking about diverting funds from some of these money pits and building proper children's crèches. Instead of paying unfit single parents to "raise" them in places that will only foster negativity and bad behaviour and gangs and drugs and face tattoos and bastards, you take them out of that environment.
You place them somewhere they are fed 3 square healthy meals a day. You have gardens there where they work as they get older. They milk cows and feed chickens. They learn to be as self sufficient as possible.
As the grow their aptitudes are assessed and they are sent to the best places for their particular skills. Maybe they learn martial skills, or the higher sciences or a skilled trade.
If left in their original environment, you will pay for them anyway. Through being on the dole, or cranking out babies, or in prison. Net drains on society.
In my proposed environment you are raising up productive citizens with life experience and positive role models and skills.
You will pay for them either way, but I offer a net positive that will pay dividends.
Honestly...this reads like a a short story written by Ray Bradbury.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:26 am to SidewalkDawg
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I think most freedom loving individuals are terrified of a streamlined and efficient government. You're advocating for tyranny, you realize this right?
Of a sort, yes. My tyranny. If you aren't on the dole, if you are providing for yourself, if you aren't demanding everyone else provide for your ill-advised progeny...you won't be affected.
But if you breed prolifically with no means of raising your children other than a hand out and an expectation that the rest of society pick up your slack...well yes, a return on an investment is expected.
It's logic.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:26 am to fr33manator
"I support limited government where people have liberty and the freedom to do what they want...But also, the government should get to sterilize people that it finds undesirable. I think this is a great plan and could never come back to bite me in the arse"
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:28 am to fr33manator
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:29 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Honestly...this reads like a a short story written by Ray Bradbury.
I was thinking more Veronica Roth...Filmed by Neil Burger, and starring Shailene Woodley.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:30 am to UpToPar
What was the infant mortality rate 100 years ago?
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:31 am to meauxjeaux2
I'm way past that now. I've moved onto a cybernetic government where people on the dole who have no other skills have their babies taken from them to be raised by cyborgs.
Their parents are then sterilized and turned into soylent green.
Maybe this feeds the children at the crèches.
The crèches produce productive citizens. Poverty and crime and blight are slowly wiped out and the cities resettled by orderly citizens.
It's shaping up nicely into a dystopian short story.
Their parents are then sterilized and turned into soylent green.
Maybe this feeds the children at the crèches.
The crèches produce productive citizens. Poverty and crime and blight are slowly wiped out and the cities resettled by orderly citizens.
It's shaping up nicely into a dystopian short story.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:32 am to fr33manator
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You place them somewhere they are fed 3 square healthy meals a day. You have gardens there where they work as they get older. They milk cows and feed chickens. They learn to be as self sufficient as possible.
Ohhhh, now I get why this thread is so fricking retarded. You're 15 and just read your first Ayn Rand novel. Shouldn't you be out enjoying your spring break?
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 8:33 am
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:34 am to Cocotheape
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"I support limited government where people have liberty and the freedom to do what they want...But also, the government should get to sterilize people that it finds undesirable. I think this is a great plan and could never come back to bite me in the arse"
Did you miss the part where this only applies to people who are leeching off the government? (Which in this mold isn't anything near the government we have now. Think...human computers running things. Cold and calculating and logical. Not the politicians of today.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:35 am to fr33manator
Got to start'em young on the gubmint cheese son. free food, free bus, free school, free house, aka The NEW American Dream.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:35 am to GaryMyMan
They'll call you Soylent Gary. You'll be super salty.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:37 am to fr33manator
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They'll call you Soylent Gary. You'll be super salty.
Wait, You think Soylent Green was salty? Now I'm starting to question if this was all just a troll.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:42 am to SidewalkDawg
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