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re: Why do we buy formula for people on the dole?

Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:48 am to
Posted by Polar Pop
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:48 am to
Hell I wish we could have breastfed our baby. She got bad reflux and milk allergy at 2 weeks old along with RSV and pneumonia.

For 8 months I had to spend $550 a month on Puramino, a completely hydrolized and hypoallergenic formula.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
135029 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:51 am to
No, you start by taking malnourished babies from unfit mothers, sterilizing the mothers and cutting off their benefits, and raising the babies in a place where they learn and grow in a healthy environment, eventually producing productive citizens.

It can't happen because of scum politicians who would balk at their vote farms being saved (and thus less likely to vote for them), but it's actually a tenable solution long term.


Imagine. Reduced crime. Reduced blight. Less illegitimate children destined to be wards of the state. Increased education. More productive citizens. Less health problems.
Posted by Evil Little Thing
Member since Jul 2013
11637 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:51 am to
Our society depends on a portion of the population being poor. Are we going to start paying people who do unskilled labor more money?
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:53 am to
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why exactly are we buying expensive (and it is extremely expensive. Just go look at the formula section in the store) formula for babies when a better, cheaper and healthier alternative is literally hanging in front of them?


You realize that with WIC, they have to get a specific formula(in AZ that formula is Similac Advance)? Only way they can get a different formula is if a doctor prescribes it(say the baby is a NICU grad and needs a more calorie dense formula like Neosure).

Not every woman can breastfeed fwiw. I don't think starving innocent babies is ever an answer.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:53 am to
Right, but you tried and you spent that money.

I'm talking about perfectly able people bypassing the natural method simply because they can and it's paid for.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
Chair
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:54 am to
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So, in the long run, you'll end up paying for their housing and food and clothes and education and in many cases incarceration.

You'll deal with the violence and the blight and the crime that comes from a broken system of households that largely don't care.

And thus you have kids that don't care. And it bleeds over to every facet of their lives.


Who is doing this exactly? The government? You have some wide fantasies about the ability of government to do anything right.

In order for us to fix the problem you've so eloquently outlined in the this post. We need to fix Government provided housing, nutrition programs, and most importantly education.

You're advocating for a HUGE increase in federal spending which time and time again has been proven a failure. I'm not as confident as you that government can solve this problem.

Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:54 am to
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and raising the babies in a place where they learn and grow in a healthy environment, eventually producing productive citizens.


So add even more babies to the already overwhelmed foster care system? Who exactly is gonna raise these babies?
Posted by Polar Pop
Member since Feb 2012
11017 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:55 am to
I wasnt hating on you
Posted by Kraut Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:56 am to
This post was edited on 11/8/20 at 2:23 pm
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
135029 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:57 am to
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Our society depends on a portion of the population being poor. Are we going to start paying people who do unskilled labor more money?


And when robots take these unskilled labor jobs over?

Unless you start to curb the breeding of this subclass of unskilled poor, you'll end up with prolific breeding rates (because we subsidize their breeding) and few jobs they can perform.

So unless you start turning them into robot fuel, you'll have to pay them something.

That or eliminate them.

The future will be Bloody.
Posted by crazycubes
Member since Jan 2016
5256 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:58 am to
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so they shouldn't have any valid distractions to keep them from taking care of their babies.
some women cannot produce enough milk. before the invention of formula, there were wet nurses to help out.
Posted by Evil Little Thing
Member since Jul 2013
11637 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:00 am to
But the working poor are the ones using programs like WIC to obtain formula because they can't stay home & breastfeed. It's easy to say that poor people just shouldn't have kids, but we need a percentage of poor people. I'm not saying permanently subsidizing low income people is the solution; there is no black or white sweeping solution.
Posted by Evil Little Thing
Member since Jul 2013
11637 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:04 am to
When robots take over, then frick it. Once I have my driverless car, I will care a lot less. Game on, poor people.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 8:05 am
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86700 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:06 am to
quote:

And when robots take these unskilled labor jobs over?

Unless you start to curb the breeding of this subclass of unskilled poor, you'll end up with prolific breeding rates (because we subsidize their breeding) and few jobs they can perform.

So unless you start turning them into robot fuel, you'll have to pay them something.


UBI

its going to happen eventually
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
62134 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:07 am to
Someone just wanted to make a thread about titties.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
135029 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:08 am to
quote:

Who is doing this exactly? The government? You have some wide fantasies about the ability of government to do anything right.



Not THIS government. But a future type government? One more automated and pragmatic? Possibly.


What do you think robots would do if they ever gained control? They'd identify the most useless people, the net drains, and eliminate them.

This government we have now is bloated and inefficient. You streamline it and pare it down and have it able to make decisions and take action without the slog of red tape and maybe that government is better...in an objective sense.


Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
66489 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:09 am to
that milk is laced with meth and crack
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86700 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:10 am to
quote:

They'd identify the most useless people, the net drains, and eliminate them.

This government we have now is bloated and inefficient. You streamline it and pare it down and have it able to make decisions and take action without the slog of red tape and maybe that government is better...in an objective sense.


sounds like North Korea
Posted by SidewalkDawg
Chair
Member since Nov 2012
10308 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:12 am to
quote:

Not THIS government. But a future type government? One more automated and pragmatic? Possibly.

What do you think robots would do if they ever gained control? They'd identify the most useless people, the net drains, and eliminate them.

This government we have now is bloated and inefficient. You streamline it and pare it down and have it able to make decisions and take action without the slog of red tape and maybe that government is better...in an objective sense.


I think most freedom loving individuals are terrified of a streamlined and efficient government. You're advocating for tyranny, you realize this right?
Posted by Kraut Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
4811 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:13 am to
This post was edited on 11/8/20 at 2:22 pm
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