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re: Why do the police give us a ticket for not wearing seatbelts

Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:16 am to
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
119935 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:16 am to
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Busses are just safer because of physics.


You can't explain it like this. Most of these morons can't tell you what the Pythagorean Theorem is..

You expect them to understand having to figure out shite that requires knowing geometry, trigonometry calculus and having to figure out the velocity, acceleration, mass, applying gravitational pull, etc, etc, etc.

Its best to keep it simple for the masses on the board.

Critical thinking is a limited resource around here.
Posted by carguymatt
Member since Aug 1998
Member since Jun 2015
959 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:21 am to
I was told by a county deputy that's a close friend of mine in Arkansas that the Arkansas State Police puts those tickets toward their retirement fund.

I don't see how it's practical to put them on school buses except for the driver. Maybe that's b/c the seat in front is so tall it would block someone from going forward and that buses don't travel that fast
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
88575 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:32 am to
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The first sign of losing an argument is when one person retorts to insults.




It's not an insult. You clearly aren't following the conversation. and I just gave it as a possible reason.

I have a story that should make this clear for you. A friend in college rear ended a lady at a stop light. He was going less than 20mph. The impact made her hit the steering wheel. Instead of just sitting there stopped like someone in control would have, she hit the gas, crossed over the median and ran into a tree. She died from this wreck.

Had she been wearing a seat belt, it is more than likely that doesn't happen.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29656 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:37 am to
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He was going less than 20mph. The impact made her hit the steering wheel.


nope.
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:39 am to
Bc they need money.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
88575 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:39 am to
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nope.



Yep
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41139 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:40 am to
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would love for one of the anti-seatbelt wearers to list reasons not to wear one.


This law is much more an anti seatbelt law thread than an anti seat belt thread.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41139 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:46 am to
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You expect them to understand having to figure out shite that requires knowing geometry, trigonometry calculus


Unless you are deriving equations of momentum, velocity, or acceleration from the position equation you need literally none of these to calculate physics.

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having to figure out the velocity, acceleration, mass, applying gravitational pull, etc, etc, etc.


Your first three variables are important but just what the hell does the gravitational pull have to do with a buss accident? Are you trying to calculate the rate with which the kids kit the floor of the bus?

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Its best to keep it simple for the masses on the board.Critical thinking is a limited resource around here.


I have no idea why everyone assumes this board is full of retarded simpletons but that THEY are above the fray.
Posted by Privateer 2007
Member since Jan 2020
7648 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:48 am to
School buses need seatbelts I agree.
I also have no issue with seatbelt tickets. Also, I agree with helmet tickets for motorcycles.
The fact is lots of ppl lack health insurance. And us taxpayers are on the hook if idiots get hurt.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41139 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:49 am to
You see this is the problem. When the government (and in reality the tax payers) are responsible for your health care, the government is responsible for what you do to your body. Plain and simple.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
43843 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:50 am to
All traffic violation tickets are simply tax revenue and have nothing to do with your safety.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41139 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:51 am to
I think laws like stop light/sign enforcement are good laws. I think speeding and seat belt laws are bull crap
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29656 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:58 am to
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Yep


You do realize that when you're hit from behind, you don't go flying forward into the steering wheel?
If you're hitting your head with that much force on the steering wheel in this scenario where you're losing the ability to think clearly, you weren't in control to begin with. Or maybe your "friend" wasn't going under 20mph.
I take it this little old lady that did this could barely see over the steering wheel, b/c a normal person should not have the steering wheel as well as themselves positioned where you'd hit your head on it.

Even if you're story is somewhat accurate, it is so one off that you cannot use it as your argument here.
This post was edited on 3/9/20 at 9:00 am
Posted by Lucky_Stryke
central Bama
Member since Sep 2018
2944 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:00 am to
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Once you figure out the police mostly exist for taxation purposes,

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Why is civil asset forfeiture a thing?

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Like why hide to catch speeders when you can park your patrol car and they'll stop speeding?

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they have zero duty to stop active shooters

All of these let's me know you have no idea wtf you're talking about.

1) civil asset forfeiture- was designed to try to help curb drug dealer/drug crime. Its quickly becoming a thing of the past. Also, if your property was forfeited, you really had to be a lazy arse to let it go. ANY funds from forfeiture have to solely used drug prevention and no other reasons are permitted. As in buying wires, undercover cameras and paying informants. All money has to be accounted for and audited regularly.

2) why like hide and shite? Like why not drive the fricking speed limit? It's really not hard. Not just for your safety but for everyone else as well. The world doesn't revolve around you. Other people want to go home or work. Traffic details are at leisure between calls or are a specific assignment in high traffic areas in order to try to maintain safety. And why do u think being seen works? Because of tickets if you greatly exceed the limits. If not for that, no one would bat an eye regardless if visible or not.

3) Our highest duty is safety and rapid intervention in order to maintain it. Which is why during emergency situations, lights and sirens are initiated in order to get there quicker and diffuse the situation. Any study, or testimony and you will see that the vast majority of active shooters don't last long when met with contact with any other armed force. Whether is self inflicted or deadly force.

3) Courts are a circus and every court is different. There seriously needs reform in that area. So with prison overcrowding, property crimes are being punished much differently than before. I know several people who are technically in prison but live in their own house. It's called community corrections. Simply because they have no where to be put and are there so that a violent offender can be in prison. So it's not a matter of police not prosecuting it's the court because of one reason or another.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
88575 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:01 am to
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You do realize that when you're hit from behind, you don't go flying forward into the steering wheel?


When you're wearing a seatbelt, sure. When you're not, the force from the seat moving forward will push your body forward. Pretty simple concept.

quote:

Even if you're story is somewhat accurate, it is so one off that you cannot use it as your argument here.



If you say so. I'll go off what the actual investigators said instead of random internet guy
This post was edited on 3/9/20 at 9:16 am
Posted by Lucky_Stryke
central Bama
Member since Sep 2018
2944 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:07 am to
And one other thing, as someone who has worked hundreds of vehicle accidents, seat belts GREATLY enhance your chance of mitigating serious injuries during an accident. Not saying they completely keep you safe because they do not. I've seen several different way where people have died while wearing seat belts. But I've seen far more serious injuries that could have been prevented if the person was wearing one.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
119935 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:08 am to
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gravitational pull



Not a thing. I was just saying shite associated with physics.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41139 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:11 am to
I don’t think anyone is arguing against seat belts. I think people are arguing over seat belt laws
Posted by Cwar11
Shreveport
Member since Jan 2010
2291 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:15 am to
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Because they dont want to see your dead mangled body from your bad driving.

My body, my choice.
Wait, did I do that right?
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29656 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:18 am to
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When you're wearing a seatbelt, sure. When you're not, the forever from the seat moving forward will push your body forward. Pretty simple concept.



Like i said, your "friend" wasnt' going under 20mph if that was the case, and driver must have been under 5'2" driving an older vehicle that didn't allow the seat to go up to be at a safer sitting position from the steering wheel.

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