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re: Why do Christians have issues with the Catholic Church?

Posted on 12/22/17 at 7:27 pm to
Posted by iamAG
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 12/22/17 at 7:27 pm to
Catholics do a lot of good. No doubt about that. I never claimed otherwise. I also worked at the diocese during college and got up close an personal with many high ups in our area. In our dioceses a lot of good is done. My problem is with the Catholic Church on a country and world wide level. The cardinals and pope are not people I would consider good people. They have motives and in my opinion some of it is for financial reasons.

Also, I don’t hate the Catholic Church. Many friends and family are Catholic. As a Hispanic, I’m the odd ball being nondenominational.
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 12/22/17 at 7:34 pm to
Peter was the first Pope- the rock upon which Jesus built His Church. That would be the Roman Catholic Church. There are approx. 33,000 prod denoms. There is one Roman Catholic Church. You say "sola scriptura" but there'd be no Bible without Roman Catholic Church Fathers, monks and scholars. The Church is quite imperfect in the sense that men, including priests, have feet of clay. The beliefs though date from 2,000 years ago, and I'd respectfully submit are the authentic thing, without which there would've been no Bible, no Christian religion to "reform" so many years later.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 12/22/17 at 7:46 pm to
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They support the party that supports abortion.

Most Catholics I know usually vote Republican
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37487 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 7:47 pm to
Baptists are trashy baw
Posted by cubsfinger
On The Road
Member since Mar 2017
1896 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 7:48 pm to
Catholicism is a cult,period.
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 12/22/17 at 7:50 pm to
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Why do Christians have issues with the Catholic Church?


Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

Not a priest or a pope.

The Catholic church is based upon TRADITIONS and not upon the Bible.  Even by twisting the Bible out of context, it's still impossible for Catholics to justify their ridiculous religion.  For example: Exodus 20:4,5 commands us to never create any type of image to bow down to.  Catholics bow to statues (images) of many different saints to worship God.  This is idolatry.  You simply CANNOT justify this type of wickedness with the Bible.  God's Word clearly forbids us from bowing down to ANY graven image.  Worse yet, every faithful Catholic prays to the "Mother Mary," bowing in worship.  Though they claim that they are not worshipping Mary, they are violating the Bible by even bowing to her (and they certainly are worshipping her).  To reverence and adore the "Mother Mary" is to commit idolatry.  There is NOT one single verse in the entire Bible where Jesus told anyone to recognize Mary in any special way.  Catholics use the reasoning that Mary was with Jesus all the time, which simply is NOT true, and there are no Scriptures to indicate such foolish conjecturing.  Jesus was NO momma's boy.  Why should we be led to believe by Catholics that Mary is more understanding than the very prophets who God used to author the Bible?  What about Jesus' half brothers and sisters?   It is dangerous to add things to the Bible that it does NOT teach.  Any doctrine which cannot be supported with Biblical references is a manmade doctrine.
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:06 pm to
Which one of the 33,000 denominations are you from?
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
66919 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:11 pm to
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For example: Exodus 20:4,5 commands us to never create any type of image to bow down to.  Catholics bow to statues (images) of many different saints to worship God
They also shell out $28,000 for grilled cheese sandwiches featuring the image of the virgin Mary, kind of.

Now say something sanctimonious and superior.
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
16356 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:12 pm to
Do yourself a favor and pick up a copy of Dave Armstrong's "The Catholic Verses" or read any of Scott Hahn's books. Both men were former protestant ministers who put aside the talking points they'd been fed and actually cracked open the Bible.
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
6176 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:17 pm to
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. Both men were former protestant ministers who put aside the talking points they'd been fed and actually cracked open the Bible.


You seem to tie your faith to a denomination. The love of Christ and his message is beyond our comprehension and much more broad than the trite definitions created by those that adhere to “denominations.”
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
16356 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:26 pm to
My faith is tied to the Church founded upon the rock, Peter. Luther, Calvin, whatever other guys or gals invented other Christian-based denominations I'm sure were nice ppl.
This post was edited on 12/22/17 at 8:27 pm
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:29 pm to
BTW if you're a member of one of these outfits that you jokingly refer to as "Catholic lite," I assume you acknowledge a heavy debt if at not at the very least a grudging nod of the head to the RCC.
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
6176 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:31 pm to
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My faith is tied to the Church founded upon the rock, Peter. Luther, Calvin, whatever other guys or gals invented other Christian-based denominations I'm sure were nice ppl.


Exactly. Your faith is tied to the church, not Christ. I get it, you’ve just lost perspective. Much like many Catholics.
This post was edited on 12/22/17 at 8:35 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91874 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:43 pm to
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Wouldn't matter. Sunday is Sunday and Christmas happens to be on a Monday.


, I know that, I was just trying to be a smart arse. Prior to the 1980s I don't believe you could receive communion more than once in a day, but now you can, so two masses on Sunday works this time around.
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
16356 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:44 pm to
Christ founded the Church in which He instituted the Sacraments we use to become the Body of Christ.
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10779 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:45 pm to
Words, ideas, roles, etc.... NOT found in the Bible:

Pope
Archbishop
Extreme Unction
Vestments
Veneration of Angels
The immaculate conception
transubstantiation
cardinals
diocese
auricular confession
eucharist
holy orders
nuns
perpetual virginity of Mary
purgatory
limbo
apocrypha
etc....
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
66919 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:49 pm to
don't forget holy grilled cheese sandwiches
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
16356 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:50 pm to
The Bible compiled by the Church. You guys are hellbent on fast forwarding from the time Christ walked the Earth and skipping over a 1,000+ years as if Luther et al came up with Christianity out of thin air.
Posted by Hussss
Helena, AL
Member since Oct 2016
7912 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:02 pm to
I consider myself a non denominational Christian. I do not judge others or their religions. I don’t know much about Catholicism. What I WILL say is that I have always been very intuitive and have always been able to size people up. With this being said, pope Francis creeps me out when I see him, for some reason.
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10779 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:13 pm to
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TigerJeff


Ask yourself this question. What would Jesus think if he walked in a Catholic church and saw priest splashing holy water and feeding crackers to the crowd? What would he say about all the statues, symbols and rituals? These are the very things he threw out of the temples that the old testament Jews worshiped in.

I have never read or heard a scripture that backs the Catholic church. In fact most of Jesus's teaching are dead opposite of what they teach and believe in. No where does he say that you must confess your sins to a priest in order to be forgiven and saved.

Romans 10:9  that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.


quote:

The Bible compiled by the Church. You guys are hellbent on fast forwarding from the time Christ walked the Earth and skipping over a 1,000+ years as if Luther et al came up with Christianity out of thin air.


I really don't care who or when Christianity was formed. I know when Jesus walked the face of this earth and when he died on the cross and was resurrected, he is the founder of Christianity anyway.

All I know is what the bible says and no religion or man should teach it any other way than what is written.
This post was edited on 12/22/17 at 9:19 pm
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